Official 07 trade speculation thread!!

[Matsui-San]

Originally Posted by JavyVazquezIsSick

Do you take everything literally? Do you actually think he would throw a ball into the stands?

I think JL25and3 pointing out a general attitude problem.

[WeekendWarrior]

Originally Posted by JL25and3

As far as I'm concerned, one of the best things about the 2007 Yankees is that they no longer have Gary Sheffield.

That is because there is not many good things about the way this team has played this year. I would rather win with Sheffield and dislike him then lose without him

[Mr. Mxylsplk]

Originally Posted by Matsui-San

I think JL25and3 pointing out a general attitude problem.

And I think JVIS is wondering if the general attitude problem ever contributed negatively on the field of play. (At least in his tenure here, as opposed to years ago).

[bigtimebomber]

Originally Posted by BennyTheJetRodriguez

I really like the Sheffield trade. Pitchers under 25 with Sanchez's ability are never traded.

Is this true? I look at his numbers and I see a guy who had 71 great innings at AA (in his third year at that level) but who has been pretty mediocre everywhere else. He's always had control issues and even in his one good year his walks were too high. If I had to guess at his upside, I'd say it looks more like Brian Bruney than Phil Hughes.

Maybe I'm biased because I wish we still had Sheff -- you could count on him for fire and backbone, two things this team sorely lacks -- but I don't understand the unbridled optimism people have for Sanchez.

[metalboy15]

Originally Posted by bigtimebomber

Is this true? I look at his numbers and I see a guy who had 71 great innings at AA (in his third year at that level) but who has been pretty mediocre everywhere else. He's always had control issues and even in his one good year his walks were too high. If I had to guess at his upside, I'd say it looks more like Brian Bruney than Phil Hughes.

Maybe I'm biased because I wish we still had Sheff -- you could count on him for fire and backbone, two things this team sorely lacks -- but I don't understand the unbridled optimism people have for Sanchez.

1. His walk rate has improved every year since 2003.

2. His stuff is off the charts, 92-95 mph fastball with sick movement, plus hammer (sometimes even plus-plus), above average slider (has hit 90 mph with it) and a developing changeup.

3. He has the body type to become an innings eater at the major league level.

4. Most pitchers come back even stronger after TJ surgery.

Im not ready to count out Humberto, he has all the tools to become a very special pitcher.

[ICEBERG18]

-There's no quick fix for Yankees-

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6993088

[rca1230]

as soon as i saw the name ken rosenthal and it wasn't him reporting a trade, i instantly closed the page

is he telling us how phil hughes will be a 3rd or 4th starter again?

[JL25and3]

Originally Posted by Mr. Mxylsplk

And I think JVIS is wondering if the general attitude problem ever contributed negatively on the field of play. (At least in his tenure here, as opposed to years ago).

Actually, I don't care. He tanked on his team - whether he actually threw a ball away or not is irrelevant, he tanked on his team - and I don't care how long ago it was. To me, that's unforgivable baseball behavior (it has nothing to do with him as a person, only as a player). I'd rather lose without him.

And it's not like his attitude has changed all that much: "If I'm not happy, you don't want me on your team."

[JDPNYY]

I'm not sure how true this is, but I read on NYYFans dot com that the Yankees might be trading Basak for Santana (the pitcher from the Twins).

[hardrain]

Originally Posted by JDPNYY

I'm not sure how true this is, but I read on NYYFans dot com that the Yankees might be trading Basak for Santana (the pitcher from the Twins).

No way we give up Basak w/o Mauer too.

[DJ27]

Originally Posted by JDPNYY

I'm not sure how true this is, but I read on NYYFans dot com that the Yankees might be trading Basak for Santana (the pitcher from the Twins).

"(the pitcher from the Twins)".....

That was good!

[JL25and3]

Originally Posted by DJ27

"(the pitcher from the Twins)".....

That was good!

Damn. I was hoping it was for Carlos.

[kafa]

Originally Posted by metalboy15

1. His walk rate has improved every year since 2003.

2. His stuff is off the charts, 92-95 mph fastball with sick movement, plus hammer (sometimes even plus-plus), above average slider (has hit 90 mph with it) and a developing changeup.

3. He has the body type to become an innings eater at the major league level.

4. Most pitchers come back even stronger after TJ surgery.

Im not ready to count out Humberto, he has all the tools to become a very special pitcher.

I think number 4 is highly debateable, "most" seems like quite an exaggeration. I'm having a hard time thinking of any really. They might be "stronger" but are they the same pitcher or nearly as effective. There might be anecdotal evidence, but I doubt its a trend. Maybe they were more effective in comparison to when they were pitching injured but before that?

[bigtimebomber]

Originally Posted by kafa

I think number 4 is highly debateable, "most" seems like quite an exaggeration. I'm having a hard time thinking of any really. They might be "stronger" but are they the same pitcher or nearly as effective. There might be anecdotal evidence, but I doubt its a trend. Maybe they were more effective in comparison to when they were pitching injured but before that?

That's really the thing of it. I read an interview with a surgeon who does the operation and he said they can't make you into the bionic man -- the ideal result (not always achieved) is that you come close to the level you were before the injury.

The thing is that you can be injured for a long time before the ligament tears completely. During that time you'll gradually lose velocity, so a guy with a 95 MPH arm might only be hitting 88 when he finally goes under the knife. If he comes back throwing 92, yeah, he's better than when you last saw him, but still a notch below his original ability.

[cyhughes22]

Originally Posted by kafa

I think number 4 is highly debateable, "most" seems like quite an exaggeration. I'm having a hard time thinking of any really. They might be "stronger" but are they the same pitcher or nearly as effective. There might be anecdotal evidence, but I doubt its a trend. Maybe they were more effective in comparison to when they were pitching injured but before that?

Well the best example of a guy being stronger and much better after TJ surgery is a man called Mariano Rivera.

[ppa79]

I wonder what it would take to get Carlos Quentin from the Diamondbacks. They just demoted him and with Upton tearing up AA, I wonder if he would be expendable.

[The Q Bomb]

Originally Posted by cyhughes22

Well the best example of a guy being stronger and much better after TJ surgery is a man called Mariano Rivera.

Mariano had TJ surgery? I know he had some kind of elbow surgery in the minors but I didn't realize that was what it was.

[metalboy15]

Originally Posted by metalboy15

4. Most pitchers come back even stronger after TJ surgery.

I said that because word around the league is that pitchers come back stronger after TJ not just because of the surgery itself, but because of the workout regimen Dr. Andrews puts his clients into... in fact Mr. Horne (74nole, Alan´s dad) who hangs around the minor league forum, also mentioned this (Alan had TJ surgery in 03), he said that some people actually think that what makes guys come back stronger it´s not the ligament replacent itself, but the workout regimen Dr. Andrews puts his clients into.

[ucrenegade]

I am not going to read 100 pages, so I will start now. I love the yankees always have Donnie baseball........Who do you guys think we can get if a-rod decides to a trade to the angels.......they have alot of talent......I woudn't mind figgins or willits and maybe ervin santana?

[metalboy15]

Originally Posted by ucrenegade

I am not going to read 100 pages, so I will start now. I love the yankees always have Donnie baseball........Who do you guys think we can get if a-rod decides to a trade to the angels.......they have alot of talent......I woudn't mind figgins or willits and maybe ervin santana?

He´s not going anywhere, but if we were to trade him to the Angels I wouldn´t expect anything less than this package in return:

- Ervin Santana or Nick Adenhart
- Brandon Wood
- Hank Conger