How Many Daddies? (Is Pedro Ready For The Postseason?)

[SoCal Pinstriper]

Pedro's line tonight:
5IP, 10H, 6R, 5ER, 1BB, 5K

That is his fourth straight loss, and third straight game giving up 5+ earned runs.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/player...e?statsId=4875

Remy said on tonight's game that the press conference after the second loss to the Yankees was in no way a "put on", and went on to say that he had never seen Pedro so low.

Where should he be started in the ALDS, and will the Twins, A's or Angels be his third "Daddy" in as many weeks?

[PlsDontTearDownY.S.]

If Pedro's not right, then the Sox pitching is slightly less questionable than ours. Wakefield and Lowe have been bad, and Bronson Arroyo scares nobody. The only thing they have over us on the mound is Schillig.

[Circle Change]

His control is leaving him and he knows it. Did you see the look on his face while he was out there tonight? I almost felt sorry for the guy.

I'm not so sure he should pitch another three years - his career ERA went from 2.58 to 2.71 this season alone while his season ERA was about 1.7 runs higher than last year.

On the bright side, he struck out 227 batters, and is now just 352 away from 3000. He should be able to reach that before his career ERA slips above 3.00 at which point he should probably consider retiring.

Who knows, though... perhaps if he went back to the National League in a warmer climate he could pitch for another four or five.

[LewFordIsWhite]

Originally posted by Socal Pinstriper
Pedro's line tonight:
5IP, 10H, 6R, 5ER, 1BB, 5K

That is his fourth straight loss, and third straight game giving up 5+ earned runs.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/player...e?statsId=4875

Remy said on tonight's game that the press conference after the second loss to the Yankees was in no way a "put on", and went on to say that he had never seen Pedro so low.

Where should he be started in the ALDS, and will the Twins, A's or Angels be his third "Daddy" in as many weeks?

Third "daddy"? Pedro has been pretty awful since early August. 4 straight losses, terrible game against Detroit at Fenway. Boston's pitching is a bit of a mess. That said, I'll take Curt, Pedro and Arroyo over any other AL starting 3 in the playoffs. Arroyo gets nowhere near enough credit, Pedro (hopefully) can't stink it up forever, and Curt is well...Curt. Hopefully Francona is smart enough to go Arroyo in game 3 and Wakefield in game 4 (if necessary). Wake may be terrible right now but at least we know Wake can be up and down. Lowe has had about 4 good starts all year - before any Sox fan argues this.....if've you've watched his numbers usually look better than his pitching in his "good starts" (ie. in Oakland in august...he looked pretty bad that day but his line was good).

[PippyPinstripes]

He's hurt, there's no other explanation.

[Circle Change]

Originally posted by LewFordIsWhite


Third "daddy"? Pedro has been pretty awful since early August. 4 straight losses, terrible game against Detroit at Fenway.

Pedro was 3-1 with a 2.25 ERA in August in 6 starts.

His terrible game against Detroit: 7 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 2 BB, 8 K

[ring403]

Pedro's recent struggles are probably the result of fatigue. This may well affect him for the remainder of this season, but I think it's very premature to think he's finished. His days of throwing 200+ innings may be over, but he is still one of the game's best pitchers. I don't see that changing in the next couple of years.

[PlsDontTearDownY.S.]

Originally posted by PippyPinstripes
He's hurt, there's no other explanation.

That's how I feel about Vazquez. Even though the Yankees found ways to win when Pedro started, they never used to hit him like they have the last two starts. Everybody's hitting him now. The velocity is there on his fastball, and his curveball looks sharp. There's no other reason.

[Circle Change]

Originally posted by ring403
Pedro's recent struggles are probably the result of fatigue. This may well affect him for the remainder of this season, but I think it's very premature to think he's finished. His days of throwing 200+ innings may be over, but he is still one of the game's best pitchers. I don't see that changing in the next couple of years.

Yeah, but he's set a standard for himself that he's expected to meet. Especially when he is making 17.5 million dollars this season, a 3.90 ERA is a little ridiculous.

He's had A LOT of bad outings this season... I think he may of had more 5+ ER outings this season than he had combined from 1999-2003. I don't count 1998 because that was a bit of a strange season and an adjustment year coming to the AL.

[MiamiKat]

Originally posted by Socal Pinstriper
Pedro's line tonight:
5IP, 10H, 6R, 5ER, 1BB, 5K

That is his fourth straight loss, and third straight game giving up 5+ earned runs.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/player...e?statsId=4875

Remy said on tonight's game that the press conference after the second loss to the Yankees was in no way a "put on", and went on to say that he had never seen Pedro so low.

Where should he be started in the ALDS, and will the Twins, A's or Angels be his third "Daddy" in as many weeks?

Remy said the same thing about Pedro's press conference the next day too, and I trust his judgment in this matter.

I read a theory that Pedro is tanking it for the end of the season, but I can't see that happening at all. He's a strange guy, but a really proud one, and he has to know he'll be the talk of Boston (and SportsCenter and elsewhere) tonight...and not in a good way.

I honestly think Pedro's hurt, and pitching a full season has taken its toll on him -- but his pride won't let him admit it.

[EDIT: As evidenced by his arguing with Francona?/Wallace? when they wanted to pull him early...Pedro won the battle & he went back out with less than stellar results.]

[twentyquestions]

Originally posted by ring403
Pedro's recent struggles are probably the result of fatigue. This may well affect him for the remainder of this season, but I think it's very premature to think he's finished. His days of throwing 200+ innings may be over, but he is still one of the game's best pitchers. I don't see that changing in the next couple of years.

Right - I think that I remember Grady Little last year bragging about resting Pedro sufficiently for the postseason: 29 GS, 186.2 IP.

This year: 32 GS, 212 IP.

[Circle Change]

Well one thing is for sure: We will find out just how much heart Pedro has in the coming days and weeks.

I just cannot see him pitching like this. He wasn't himself all of the '03 post-season last year, but when Game 7 came around, he got downright gritty as hell... one of the grittiest performances I've ever seen in my life - and had he been pulled - it may have gone down as the greatest performance of his career.

I only expect that he wills himself to pitch well this October... he knows the last thing he is remembered for in Boston can't be calling their 100+ year rivals his daddies... not after all the battles.

[twentyquestions]

Originally posted by MiamiKat

I read a theory that Pedro is tanking it for the end of the season, but I can't see that happening at all. He's a strange guy, but a really proud one, and he has to know he'll be the talk of Boston (and SportsCenter and elsewhere) tonight...and not in a good way.

Obviously nonsense. That ranks right up there with the theory that Manny intentionally strikes out to bait pitchers.

[SuperMario66]

Originally posted by twentyquestions


Obviously nonsense. That ranks right up there with the theory that Manny intentionally strikes out to bait pitchers.

Thank you.

[hellonewman]

Originally posted by twentyquestions
This year: 32 GS, 212 IP.

217 innings after tonight.

This might not have been the right time in Pedro's career to have him throw his most innings in a season since 1998. (Threw 233 that year, also threw 217 in 2000.)

[JDPNYY]

Poor ole Pedro.



I'd like to see the Orioles finish at .500. Anyone agree?

[Mattpat11]

Is it fair to call the D-Rays his Mommy?

[Circle Change]

Pedro officially tabbed as No. 2 in the ALDS

http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/NASApp/..._bos&fext=.jsp

Martinez got the news from Francona and pitching coach Dave Wallace. He said that he asked them, because he knew the media would be asking him.

The three-time Cy Young Award winner had no qualms with the decision, essentially saying he would have made the same choice.

"He was the No. 1 pitcher from the get-go and he deserves to be the No. 1 starter in any game," Martinez said of Schilling. "He's been better than Pedro Martinez and better than anybody on our team. Without hesitation, I'd give him Game 1. He's been pretty good and very consistent for us."

[JeffWeaverFan]

Originally posted by PippyPinstripes
He's hurt, there's no other explanation.

This has to be it.

[soxfansince67]

The Air Conditioning at the Trop made it way too cold for him to Pitch efffectively.