Liriano headed to DL. Out indefinately.

[YankeeClemens22]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2543069

Francisco Liriano was on the verge of tears after Monday night's game against the Tigers. However, it's the Twins who might be crying hardest with one of their aces looking at a likely trip to the disabled list.

The Tigers roughed up Liriano in a 9-3 rout Monday, and after the game, Twins manager Ron Gardenhire announced that the left-hander is still suffering from soreness in his throwing forearm.

Wow. Does this end the ROY, Cy talk?

I know there is a Liriano thread, but I think this is significant enough to break out of a multi-page thread to discuss news like this.

[effdamets]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2543069



Wow. Does this end the ROY, Cy talk?

I know there is a Liriano thread, but I think this is significant enough to break out of a multi-page thread to discuss news like this.

Oooo... This can't be good for Minnesota....

[chelloveck]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2543069



Wow. Does this end the ROY, Cy talk?

Papelbon by default.

[Jace]

If Wang manages to throw another shutout tonight, all the sudden he's in the middle of the Cy race too. All he has to do is shut out the White Sox... easy

[chanman7483]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Thanks for ruining my morning man. :@#LKj:%lj%:l@#jk%:lk@#%

[mentalgidget]

If Wang manages to throw another shutout tonight, all the sudden he's in the middle of the Cy race too. All he has to do is shut out the White Sox... easy

I think Wang is in the mix... if he throws anotehr shutout tonight, he begins to seperate himself from the field, IMO.

[gdn]

OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

NO NO NO

This ruins my FBB team. Thank God I didn't drop Escobar. GO#@&&A&AMIT

[chanman7483]

I've been sitting around for the past 5 minutes in a state of panic... I can't focus with this on my mind....

Hello Vincente Padilla

[yanksphan]

Ouch. Too bad for the Twins. Hello Matt Garza...

[NelsonMuntz]

That really sucks for the Twins.

[buckyjacobson]

I think Wang is in the mix... if he throws anotehr shutout tonight, he begins to seperate himself from the field, IMO.

I think a shutout tonight just moves him from the Mussina/Zito/Schilling group to the Santana/Halladay/Verlander group.

[Jace]

I think Wang is in the mix... if he throws anotehr shutout tonight, he begins to seperate himself from the field, IMO.

Not yet. Verlander has 14 wins and a 2.79 ERA. There is almost zero reason currently to vote Wang over Verlander. I think Halladay is also still beating him, with Santana, Moose, and Papelbon all even or slightly ahead

[CoyoteYankee]

And the door just slammed shut on the Twins chances possibly of getting to the playoffs but most probably on getting past round 1 of the playoffs.

[justin32099]

I think Wang is in the mix... if he throws anotehr shutout tonight, he begins to seperate himself from the field, IMO.

That's an if the size of David Wells.

[Jace]

That's an if the size of David Wells.

Oh thank you, we needed that, we shall now go temper our expectations

[ojo]

Papelbon by default.

try verlander. he paces a run away first place team that's basically a worst to first story.

papelbon is great, but it's not even close when you compare.

[SheffRocks11]

That's a really tough break for the twins.

[montyque]

try verlander. he paces a run away first place team that's basically a worst to first story.

papelbon is great, but it's not even close when you compare.

I dunno... I haven't paid nearly as close attention to the Tigers as I have the Red Sox, for obvious reasons, but Papelbon has clearly (thus far) put up one of the all-time greatest seasons for a closer. He's stood out as a godsend on a pretty crappy relief corps, and a pretty crappy whole pitching staff, for that matter. I think there's even a case for him as team MVP over that DH, whats his name, Clutchie McClutchenstein.

[ojo]

I dunno... I haven't paid nearly as close attention to the Tigers as I have the Red Sox, for obvious reasons, but Papelbon has clearly (thus far) put up one of the all-time greatest seasons for a closer. He's stood out as a godsend on a pretty crappy relief corps, and a pretty crappy whole pitching staff, for that matter. I think there's even a case for him as team MVP over that DH, whats his name, Clutchie McClutchenstein.

the league hasn't seen papelbon and though he appears he'll be great, what we are seeing is essentially one of the greatest smoke/mirrors displays of all time.

i'm not calling him a charlatan or a fraud, cuz he's clearly storming the league with the goods, but know this - every time he's been burned this year (4 BS) it's been against a team that's already faced him. he's able to hide behind the 'unfamiliarity' clause....wait til he gets seen more...verlander doesn't have that luxury in that teams face him 4/5 times a game.

[effdamets]

the league hasn't seen papelbon and though he appears he'll be great, what we are seeing is essentially one of the greatest smoke/mirrors displays of all time.

i'm not calling him a charlatan or a fraud, cuz he's clearly storming the league with the goods, but know this - every time he's been burned this year (4 BS) it's been against a team that's already faced him. he's able to hide behind the 'unfamiliarity' clause....wait til he gets seen more...verlander doesn't have that luxury in that teams face him 4/5 times a game.

At this point, if Mariano Rivera never won a Cy Young award, I don't think one can be awarded to Paplebon.

[jonnyc39]

the league hasn't seen papelbon and though he appears he'll be great, what we are seeing is essentially one of the greatest smoke/mirrors displays of all time.

i'm not calling him a charlatan or a fraud, cuz he's clearly storming the league with the goods, but know this - every time he's been burned this year (4 BS) it's been against a team that's already faced him. he's able to hide behind the 'unfamiliarity' clause....wait til he gets seen more...verlander doesn't have that luxury in that teams face him 4/5 times a game.

None of that changes the fact that Papelbon is having an historic season. Plenty of relief pitchers fit the bill you just described, but none post a .6 ERA. What he's doing is pretty special.

[LuckyLopez]

ojo,

Does it matter? IF Papelbon puts up the numbers to deserve a 2006 single season award it should be decided based on who deserved it in 2006. Not who will be better the rest of the way. I think Liriano is the better pitcher than Verlander but if his injury and late start mean Verlander having the clearly better season I can't reasonably vote on Liriano based on the fact that I think his rookie card will be more valuable.

If your prediction holds up true and Papelbon starts to get hurt in the remaining 2 months, then it will show in his stats and its a moot point.

[Woodshed42]

Papelbon by default.

More like Papelbon on merit...it was going to be close even if Liriano was healthy. It might have come down to which team made the playoffs.

[ojo]

ojo,

Does it matter? IF Papelbon puts up the numbers to deserve a 2006 single season award it should be decided based on who deserved it in 2006. Not who will be better the rest of the way. I think Liriano is the better pitcher than Verlander but if his injury and late start mean Verlander having the clearly better season I can't reasonably vote on Liriano based on the fact that I think his rookie card will be more valuable.

If your prediction holds up true and Papelbon starts to get hurt in the remaining 2 months, then it will show in his stats and its a moot point.

i made that point only to help show the true distance between verlander and papelbon.

but you're right, the stats will tell most of the story when it's all said and done.

[keithf1]

Hey, we aren't the only team with injuries