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    Actually my point was more that he found his career at age 37. Other than breaking in last year he really was a relatively unknown player. Now he's a Cy Young candidate. As for being a knuckleballer I know they defy age. But his is a power knuckler, so we'll see if it lasts. But while he is dealing, good for him.

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    He's been great for my fantasy team.
    I'm sure he has. And I bet you got him cheap too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman23 View Post
    Actually my point was more that he found his career at age 37. Other than breaking in last year he really was a relatively unknown player. Now he's a Cy Young candidate. As for being a knuckleballer I know they defy age. But his is a power knuckler, so we'll see if it lasts. But while he is dealing, good for him.

    I'm sure he has. And I bet you got him cheap too.
    Oh, OK. I haven't studied knuckleballers much, but they call it the "butterfly pitch". It's soft, so that if someone hits you with it, it may as well be the curve or something.

    I once remember a thread on another board about the knuckler. Some catcher asked how to catch one, and the reply was to let it drop on the floor, then pick it up.

    I remember Boston traded away some backup catcher whose specialty was catching Wakefield. Then they reacquired him.

    Hey, guess which ex-Yankee threw a knuckler? Not that he'd be caught doing this that often ... especially from the hot corner.

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    Re: The New York Mets Thread

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    Dickey is pitching like Pedro in his prime again tonight. He gets the Yanks next.
    Another 1 hit CG - 13 Ks.

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    I never thought that ANYBODY could pitch like that for the Mets.
    Sidd Finch could
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    Re: The New York Mets Thread

    Bill James Game Score is a metric that rates starts on a 0-100 scoring scale, based on a pitchers innings pitched, runs, hits, strikeouts, and walks (49 is MLB Average, 100+ is extremely rare).
    R.A. Dickey
    had a Game Score of 95 last Wednesday with his 12-K, 1-hit CG, and had a Game Score of 96 tonight with his 13-K, 1-hit CG. He is the first pitcher in the Live Ball Era with consecutive starts with a Game Score of 95+ in a single season.
    Cray.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teknetic View Post
    Cray.
    Wow. Impressive.
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    Re: The New York Mets Thread

    For their 50th Anniversary, the Mets announced their all-time team:

    C: Mike Piazza
    1B: Keith Hernandez
    2B: Edgardo Alfonzo
    SS: Jose Reyes
    3B: David Wright
    OF: Cleon Jones
    OF: Carlos Beltran
    OF: Darryl Strawberry

    RH SP: Tom Seaver
    LH SP: Jerry Koosman
    RH Reliever: Roger McDowell
    LH Reliever: Tug McGraw

    Manager: Davey Johnson

    What is that...one current HOF player? Not exactly a murderer's row of talent...

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    Re: The New York Mets Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Big_E View Post
    For their 50th Anniversary, the Mets announced their all-time team:

    C: Mike Piazza
    1B: Keith Hernandez
    2B: Edgardo Alfonzo
    SS: Jose Reyes
    3B: David Wright
    OF: Cleon Jones
    OF: Carlos Beltran
    OF: Darryl Strawberry

    RH SP: Tom Seaver
    LH SP: Jerry Koosman
    RH Reliever: Roger McDowell
    LH Reliever: Tug McGraw

    Manager: Davey Johnson

    What is that...one current HOF player? Not exactly a murderer's row of talent...

    It's not that bad, it's definitely a world championship caliber team if you had them when their careers were going well.
    And while Seaver is the only current HOF, Piazza will be.
    Strawberry was definitely a HOF talent while he was with the Mets.



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    Re: The New York Mets Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by aeromac76 View Post
    On a separate note, RA Dickey's amazing run and amazing season continues with his next start against the Yankees!
    How about the clock strikes midnight for Cinderella Man!
    Too bad there's no DH. Ibanez, Chavez and A-Rod all have pretty good numbers against him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big_E View Post
    For their 50th Anniversary, the Mets announced their all-time team:

    C: Mike Piazza
    1B: Keith Hernandez
    2B: Edgardo Alfonzo
    SS: Jose Reyes
    3B: David Wright
    OF: Cleon Jones
    OF: Carlos Beltran
    OF: Darryl Strawberry

    RH SP: Tom Seaver
    LH SP: Jerry Koosman
    RH Reliever: Roger McDowell
    LH Reliever: Tug McGraw

    Manager: Davey Johnson

    What is that...one current HOF player? Not exactly a murderer's row of talent...
    Might want to make some room on that list for Dickey.
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    Re: The New York Mets Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Big_E View Post
    For their 50th Anniversary, the Mets announced their all-time team:

    C: Mike Piazza
    1B: Keith Hernandez
    2B: Edgardo Alfonzo
    SS: Jose Reyes
    3B: David Wright
    OF: Cleon Jones
    OF: Carlos Beltran
    OF: Darryl Strawberry

    RH SP: Tom Seaver
    LH SP: Jerry Koosman
    RH Reliever: Roger McDowell
    LH Reliever: Tug McGraw

    Manager: Davey Johnson

    What is that...one current HOF player? Not exactly a murderer's row of talent...
    So I guess they're ignoring Mookie Wilson, Dwight Gooden, David Cone, and Gary Carter?
    Mariano Rivera was so great he was able to close a Denny's.

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    Re: The New York Mets Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by aeromac76 View Post
    It's not that bad, it's definitely a world championship caliber team if you had them when their careers were going well.
    And while Seaver is the only current HOF, Piazza will be.
    Strawberry was definitely a HOF talent while he was with the Mets.
    If you put them up against other teams with at least 50 years of history, I don't even think they make the playoffs.

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    Re: The New York Mets Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by TheInfallibleOne View Post
    So I guess they're ignoring Mookie Wilson, Dwight Gooden, David Cone, and Gary Carter?
    Gooden was a RHP, and was great at his peak, but cannot match Seaver for his career. Cone was also a RHP. I would take Carter over Piazza. Wilson was popular, but never even an All-Star.

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    Re: The New York Mets Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Big_E View Post
    Gooden was a RHP, and was great at his peak, but cannot match Seaver for his career. Cone was also a RHP. I would take Carter over Piazza. Wilson was popular, but never even an All-Star.
    When construction a list like that I'd have the best players, not the greater ones.
    40 pitchers, ever, have an ERA+ of 130 or higher for their career. 15 have 140 or higher. 3 guys have 150 or higher - one is right at 150, the second place guy is at 154, and Mariano Rivera is at 205.

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    Re: The New York Mets Thread

    RA Dickey's book is now #72 on Amazon's best seller list:
    http://www.amazon.com/Wherever-Wind-...dp/0399158154/

    Funny part is at the beginning of the book, he states that he's just a regular pitcher that will never win 300 games, go to the hall of fame, or lead the league in strikeouts. Well he leads the league as of last night lol

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    Re: The New York Mets Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Big_E View Post
    Gooden was a RHP, and was great at his peak, but cannot match Seaver for his career. Cone was also a RHP. I would take Carter over Piazza. Wilson was popular, but never even an All-Star.
    Yeah, using a term I dislike - picking Seaver is a no brainer. He's on my short list of best righthanded starting pitchers I've ever seen.
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    Re: The New York Mets Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Big_E View Post
    Gooden was a RHP, and was great at his peak, but cannot match Seaver for his career. Cone was also a RHP. I would take Carter over Piazza. Wilson was popular, but never even an All-Star.
    Carter over Piazza? Wha?

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    Re: The New York Mets Thread

    Yeah I have to agree. As a hitter Piazza was scary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman23 View Post
    Yeah I have to agree. As a hitter Piazza was scary.
    As a catcher, he was pretty scary, too.

    If you're comparing their entire careers, you could reasonably pick Carter because of his defensive ability. Looking just at their time with the Mets, though, I'd have to go with Piazza.
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    Re: The New York Mets Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman23 View Post
    Yeah I have to agree. As a hitter Piazza was scary.
    He was an a$$hole poser when he hit a HR. Plus a defensive liability. Carter was a better person, and a team player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big_E View Post
    For their 50th Anniversary, the Mets announced their all-time team:

    C: Mike Piazza
    1B: Keith Hernandez
    2B: Edgardo Alfonzo
    SS: Jose Reyes
    3B: David Wright
    OF: Cleon Jones
    OF: Carlos Beltran
    OF: Darryl Strawberry

    RH SP: Tom Seaver
    LH SP: Jerry Koosman
    RH Reliever: Roger McDowell
    LH Reliever: Tug McGraw

    Manager: Davey Johnson

    What is that...one current HOF player? Not exactly a murderer's row of talent...
    Cleon Jones? I had to Google.
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    Re: The New York Mets Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Big_E View Post
    He was an a$$hole poser when he hit a HR. Plus a defensive liability. Carter was a better person, and a team player.
    Huh? I don't remember him being an asshole. Except towards Clemens throughout that entire debacle.
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    Re: The New York Mets Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman23 View Post
    Huh? I don't remember him being an asshole. Except towards Clemens throughout that entire debacle.
    Everytime I saw him hit a HR he would stand there for a long time and watch it before running.

    Piazza in the minors:


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    Re: The New York Mets Thread

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    Cleon Jones? I had to Google.
    seriosly? I thought everyone had seen the 69 mets on classic MLB
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    seriosly? I thought everyone had seen the 69 mets on classic MLB
    I saw them in '69.
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    Re: The New York Mets Thread

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    Cleon Jones? I had to Google.
    Tommie Agee also passed on a few years ago. Oh yeah, if someone says "Kooz", they're referring to LHP Jerry Koosman, who was the lefty of hte lefty-right combo, along with The Franchise, Tom Terrific.

    Davey Johnson played for the losing Orioles in '69, managed the Mets in '86. Bud Harrelson (who co-founded the independent Long Island Ducks) played for the '69 Mets and was a coach for them in '86.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...icle-1.1097304

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