The New York Mets Thread

[Hitman23]

Actually my point was more that he found his career at age 37. Other than breaking in last year he really was a relatively unknown player. Now he's a Cy Young candidate. As for being a knuckleballer I know they defy age. But his is a power knuckler, so we'll see if it lasts. But while he is dealing, good for him.

He's been great for my fantasy team.

I'm sure he has. And I bet you got him cheap too.

[Jersey Yankee]

Actually my point was more that he found his career at age 37. Other than breaking in last year he really was a relatively unknown player. Now he's a Cy Young candidate. As for being a knuckleballer I know they defy age. But his is a power knuckler, so we'll see if it lasts. But while he is dealing, good for him.

I'm sure he has. And I bet you got him cheap too.

Oh, OK. I haven't studied knuckleballers much, but they call it the "butterfly pitch". It's soft, so that if someone hits you with it, it may as well be the curve or something.

I once remember a thread on another board about the knuckler. Some catcher asked how to catch one, and the reply was to let it drop on the floor, then pick it up.

I remember Boston traded away some backup catcher whose specialty was catching Wakefield. Then they reacquired him.

Hey, guess which ex-Yankee threw a knuckler? Not that he'd be caught doing this that often ... especially from the hot corner.

[HerbieLee20]

Dickey is pitching like Pedro in his prime again tonight. He gets the Yanks next.

Another 1 hit CG - 13 Ks.

I never thought that ANYBODY could pitch like that for the Mets.

Sidd Finch could

[teknetic]

Bill James Game Score is a metric that rates starts on a 0-100 scoring scale, based on a pitchers innings pitched, runs, hits, strikeouts, and walks (49 is MLB Average, 100+ is extremely rare).

R.A. Dickey

had a Game Score of 95 last Wednesday with his 12-K, 1-hit CG, and had a Game Score of 96 tonight with his 13-K, 1-hit CG. He is the first pitcher in the Live Ball Era with consecutive starts with a Game Score of 95+ in a single season.

Cray.

[Hitman23]

Cray.

Wow. Impressive.

[Big_E]

For their 50th Anniversary, the Mets announced their all-time team:

C: Mike Piazza
1B: Keith Hernandez
2B: Edgardo Alfonzo
SS: Jose Reyes
3B: David Wright
OF: Cleon Jones
OF: Carlos Beltran
OF: Darryl Strawberry

RH SP: Tom Seaver
LH SP: Jerry Koosman
RH Reliever: Roger McDowell
LH Reliever: Tug McGraw

Manager: Davey Johnson

What is that...one current HOF player? Not exactly a murderer's row of talent...

[aeromac76]

For their 50th Anniversary, the Mets announced their all-time team:

C: Mike Piazza
1B: Keith Hernandez
2B: Edgardo Alfonzo
SS: Jose Reyes
3B: David Wright
OF: Cleon Jones
OF: Carlos Beltran
OF: Darryl Strawberry

RH SP: Tom Seaver
LH SP: Jerry Koosman
RH Reliever: Roger McDowell
LH Reliever: Tug McGraw

Manager: Davey Johnson

What is that...one current HOF player? Not exactly a murderer's row of talent...

It's not that bad, it's definitely a world championship caliber team if you had them when their careers were going well.
And while Seaver is the only current HOF, Piazza will be.
Strawberry was definitely a HOF talent while he was with the Mets.



On a separate note, RA Dickey's amazing run and amazing season continues with his next start against the Yankees!
How about the clock strikes midnight for Cinderella Man!

[philleotardo]

On a separate note, RA Dickey's amazing run and amazing season continues with his next start against the Yankees!
How about the clock strikes midnight for Cinderella Man!

Too bad there's no DH. Ibanez, Chavez and A-Rod all have pretty good numbers against him.

[NYDCYankee]

For their 50th Anniversary, the Mets announced their all-time team:

C: Mike Piazza
1B: Keith Hernandez
2B: Edgardo Alfonzo
SS: Jose Reyes
3B: David Wright
OF: Cleon Jones
OF: Carlos Beltran
OF: Darryl Strawberry

RH SP: Tom Seaver
LH SP: Jerry Koosman
RH Reliever: Roger McDowell
LH Reliever: Tug McGraw

Manager: Davey Johnson

What is that...one current HOF player? Not exactly a murderer's row of talent...

Might want to make some room on that list for Dickey.

[TheInfallibleOne]

For their 50th Anniversary, the Mets announced their all-time team:

C: Mike Piazza
1B: Keith Hernandez
2B: Edgardo Alfonzo
SS: Jose Reyes
3B: David Wright
OF: Cleon Jones
OF: Carlos Beltran
OF: Darryl Strawberry

RH SP: Tom Seaver
LH SP: Jerry Koosman
RH Reliever: Roger McDowell
LH Reliever: Tug McGraw

Manager: Davey Johnson

What is that...one current HOF player? Not exactly a murderer's row of talent...

So I guess they're ignoring Mookie Wilson, Dwight Gooden, David Cone, and Gary Carter?

[Big_E]

It's not that bad, it's definitely a world championship caliber team if you had them when their careers were going well.
And while Seaver is the only current HOF, Piazza will be.
Strawberry was definitely a HOF talent while he was with the Mets.

If you put them up against other teams with at least 50 years of history, I don't even think they make the playoffs.

[Big_E]

So I guess they're ignoring Mookie Wilson, Dwight Gooden, David Cone, and Gary Carter?

Gooden was a RHP, and was great at his peak, but cannot match Seaver for his career. Cone was also a RHP. I would take Carter over Piazza. Wilson was popular, but never even an All-Star.

[Mr.Muhozi]

Gooden was a RHP, and was great at his peak, but cannot match Seaver for his career. Cone was also a RHP. I would take Carter over Piazza. Wilson was popular, but never even an All-Star.

When construction a list like that I'd have the best players, not the greater ones.

[GordonGecko]

RA Dickey's book is now #72 on Amazon's best seller list:
http://www.amazon.com/Wherever-Wind-...dp/0399158154/

Funny part is at the beginning of the book, he states that he's just a regular pitcher that will never win 300 games, go to the hall of fame, or lead the league in strikeouts. Well he leads the league as of last night lol

[fredgmuggs]

Gooden was a RHP, and was great at his peak, but cannot match Seaver for his career. Cone was also a RHP. I would take Carter over Piazza. Wilson was popular, but never even an All-Star.

Yeah, using a term I dislike - picking Seaver is a no brainer. He's on my short list of best righthanded starting pitchers I've ever seen.

[RenoHightower]

Gooden was a RHP, and was great at his peak, but cannot match Seaver for his career. Cone was also a RHP. I would take Carter over Piazza. Wilson was popular, but never even an All-Star.

Carter over Piazza? Wha?

[Hitman23]

Yeah I have to agree. As a hitter Piazza was scary.

[JL25and3]

Yeah I have to agree. As a hitter Piazza was scary.

As a catcher, he was pretty scary, too.

If you're comparing their entire careers, you could reasonably pick Carter because of his defensive ability. Looking just at their time with the Mets, though, I'd have to go with Piazza.

[Big_E]

Yeah I have to agree. As a hitter Piazza was scary.

He was an a$$hole poser when he hit a HR. Plus a defensive liability. Carter was a better person, and a team player.

[jlw1980]

For their 50th Anniversary, the Mets announced their all-time team:

C: Mike Piazza
1B: Keith Hernandez
2B: Edgardo Alfonzo
SS: Jose Reyes
3B: David Wright
OF: Cleon Jones
OF: Carlos Beltran
OF: Darryl Strawberry

RH SP: Tom Seaver
LH SP: Jerry Koosman
RH Reliever: Roger McDowell
LH Reliever: Tug McGraw

Manager: Davey Johnson

What is that...one current HOF player? Not exactly a murderer's row of talent...

Cleon Jones? I had to Google.

[Hitman23]

He was an a$$hole poser when he hit a HR. Plus a defensive liability. Carter was a better person, and a team player.

Huh? I don't remember him being an asshole. Except towards Clemens throughout that entire debacle.

[Big_E]

Huh? I don't remember him being an asshole. Except towards Clemens throughout that entire debacle.

Everytime I saw him hit a HR he would stand there for a long time and watch it before running.

Piazza in the minors:

[Yankee Tripper]

Cleon Jones? I had to Google.

seriosly? I thought everyone had seen the 69 mets on classic MLB

[Ram Man]

seriosly? I thought everyone had seen the 69 mets on classic MLB

I saw them in '69.

[Jersey Yankee]

Cleon Jones? I had to Google.

Tommie Agee also passed on a few years ago. Oh yeah, if someone says "Kooz", they're referring to LHP Jerry Koosman, who was the lefty of hte lefty-right combo, along with The Franchise, Tom Terrific.

Davey Johnson played for the losing Orioles in '69, managed the Mets in '86. Bud Harrelson (who co-founded the independent Long Island Ducks) played for the '69 Mets and was a coach for them in '86.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...icle-1.1097304

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...lery-1.1097578

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...icle-1.1097289