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    Re: Yanks talking to JT Snow?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankees1962
    They can have him.
    I agree. I've noticed that whoever the Yankees court, the Red Sox jump in and immediately begin negotiating with them.

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    Re: Yanks talking to JT Snow?

    Check out the NY Times today.
    Raffy wants to come play for the Yanks. There is your DH/1st baseman.


    "I'm not sure," he said. "Well, obviously I'd like to play for a good team. I'd have to see what the options are out there. The Yankees would be intriguing. I grew up being a Yankee fan; I've always loved the Yankees. But the Yankees seem to be maxed out."
    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/28/sp...l/28chass.html

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    Re: Yanks talking to JT Snow?

    Quote Originally Posted by ShaneTravis
    Check out the NY Times today.
    Raffy wants to come play for the Yanks. There is your DH/1st baseman.


    "I'm not sure," he said. "Well, obviously I'd like to play for a good team. I'd have to see what the options are out there. The Yankees would be intriguing. I grew up being a Yankee fan; I've always loved the Yankees. But the Yankees seem to be maxed out."
    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/28/sp...l/28chass.html
    ABSOLUTELY NOT.

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    Re: Yanks talking to JT Snow?

    Quote Originally Posted by Martini6196
    Snow in Boston?
    Dec 27 - According to the Boston Herald, the Red Sox are negotiating with first baseman J.T. Snow, who could serve as a backup and a defensive replacement for Kevin Youkilis, and a decision may come Tuesday or Wednesday.
    The Herald reports that Snow is believed to be negotiating with three or four other clubs, and two of them are likely the Yankees and the Orioles.


    Here is the blurb on ESPN Insider. Just thought you might want to see it.
    That's the same Herald story I started this thread with 2 days ago. All ESPN Insider does is regurgitate news stories that have been printed elsewhere. You can get the same info for free, and much faster, by looking it up yourself.
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    Re: Yanks talking to JT Snow?

    Quote Originally Posted by ring403
    That's the same Herald story I started this thread with 2 days ago. All ESPN Insider does is regurgitate news stories that have been printed elsewhere. You can get the same info for free, and much faster, by looking it up yourself.
    Links to local baseball coverage available at:
    http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/newsstand/

    Get bugmenot to deal with site registrations.

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    Re: Yanks talking to JT Snow?

    Quote Originally Posted by ryanthe13th
    ABSOLUTELY NOT.
    Read the story--it's a piece by Murray Chass. It really is high comedy. He talks about Raffy wanting to play for a couple of years and hit .300 and knock in 30 homers a year.

    Then goes on with the head scratching "how did I test positve."
    "Hold on, a bus is coming where's Miggy so I can throw him under."

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    Re: Yanks talking to JT Snow?

    Quote Originally Posted by Martini6196
    Snow in Boston?
    Dec 27 - According to the Boston Herald, the Red Sox are negotiating with first baseman J.T. Snow, who could serve as a backup and a defensive replacement for Kevin Youkilis, and a decision may come Tuesday or Wednesday.
    The Herald reports that Snow is believed to be negotiating with three or four other clubs, and two of them are likely the Yankees and the Orioles.


    Here is the blurb on ESPN Insider. Just thought you might want to see it.

    I say Andy Philips will be a fine back up. I think the Yanks need to give him more of a chance then they gave him last year. I think he will end up being a pleasant surprise.
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    Is a good source of finding local papers with news on Baseball.

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    Re: Yanks talking to JT Snow?

    Am I missing out on something? Why do we need Snow? Giambi is 1B, Philips his back up... why do we need Snow?
    Of course we could sign him, but I'd want him to be a starter then with Giambi DH. We've got a great line-up, one below average hitter isn't a huge problem for us, but it's good to have a great defensive infielder imo. If we just want to use him as back up I really don't understand why we would like to sign him. We've got Philips for that; he's good enough.
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    Re: Yanks talking to JT Snow?

    Quote Originally Posted by shutout
    Am I missing out on something? Why do we need Snow? Giambi is 1B, Philips his back up... why do we need Snow?
    Of course we could sign him, but I'd want him to be a starter then with Giambi DH.
    Well, the yanks would only sign him with the intention of him starting a lot at 1B and DH. I don't that Snow is the answer, but I don't think it's unreasonable to want someone better than Phillips and Bernie as our 9th batter.

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    Re: Yanks talking to JT Snow?

    Quote Originally Posted by BJG
    First problem, Villone is not a lefty specialist. He's a back of the bullpen guy who can also get a righthander out and pitch multiple innings at a time. Where there might be an occassion to use him against 1 or 2 batters, there are also occassions to let him pitch 3 innings.

    Yankee relievers pitched 465.1 innings last year. That's about 77 innings a pitcher with a 6-man relief corps. Obviously, that doesn't get spread out evenly. For Rivera, it's pretty normal, though I think you can back him off a few innings. For Farnsworth, it's about 7 innings too much. Myers gets 35-40 innings or so, but the long man should get closer to 120, but the Yankees have more than one long man, so you'll have to back them all up a little bit. Basically, your left with about 280 innings to split between Villone, Wright, and Small. That's 93 innings apiece. If you keep Sturtze, it's 70 innings apiece, and I just don't see how starters like Wright and Small are going to get enough work at 70 innings. Hell, even Villone's best seasons come at around 100 IP.
    I like the attempt to break it down by innings, but Wright and Small will probably get alot of innings as starters. No way do all our pitchers stay healthy. You could make the case that one of them, if they stay healthy, could get 150 IP as a starter just filling in as guys come on and off the DL.

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    Re: Yanks talking to JT Snow?

    Quote Originally Posted by yogibuck
    I like the attempt to break it down by innings, but Wright and Small will probably get alot of innings as starters. No way do all our pitchers stay healthy. You could make the case that one of them, if they stay healthy, could get 150 IP as a starter just filling in as guys come on and off the DL.
    Yes, but when that happens, it just means that someone from AAA replaces them in the bullpen and fills the same basic role. The concept doesn't change.

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    Re: Yanks talking to JT Snow?

    Quote Originally Posted by BJG
    There aren't enough innings for regular work for 12 pitchers, let alone 13. There is no way they ever carry that many.
    OK, assuming Dotel starts the year on the DL (new nickname: DL Dotel?), that still leaves Randy Johnson, Mike Mussina, Shawn Chacon, Carl Pavano, Chien-Ming Wang, Jaret Wright, Aaron Small, Mariano Rivera, Kyle Farnsworth, Ron Villone, Mike Myers, Tanyon Sturtze, and Scott Proctor -- not to mention Ramiro Mendoza, on a minor-league contract. Which of these pitchers do you see the Yankees cutting to get down to 11?

    And who gets the extra roster spot? Kevin Thompson? Escalona? Or do we sign J.T. and carry him along with Phillips?

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    Re: Yanks talking to JT Snow?

    Tony Massarotti in today's Boston Herald reports that the Yankees are no longer interested in J.T. Snow.

    http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSo...ticleid=119234

    "baseball sources have ruled out the New York Yankees, who will use the right-handed hitting Andy Phillips to back up Jason Giambi. There had been some speculation that the Yankees also were eyeing Snow as a late-inning defensive replacement."

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    Re: Yanks talking to JT Snow?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quangormo
    OK, assuming Dotel starts the year on the DL (new nickname: DL Dotel?), that still leaves Randy Johnson, Mike Mussina, Shawn Chacon, Carl Pavano, Chien-Ming Wang, Jaret Wright, Aaron Small, Mariano Rivera, Kyle Farnsworth, Ron Villone, Mike Myers, Tanyon Sturtze, and Scott Proctor -- not to mention Ramiro Mendoza, on a minor-league contract. Which of these pitchers do you see the Yankees cutting to get down to 11?

    And who gets the extra roster spot? Kevin Thompson? Escalona? Or do we sign J.T. and carry him along with Phillips?
    Proctor has options, so they have 12 guys now before Dotel is healthy. That's why they are trying to trade a pitcher.

    As for who takes the extra roster spot, a corner outfielder who can hit right handers, perhaps acquired for said pitcher.

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    Re: Yanks talking to JT Snow?

    Quote Originally Posted by BJG
    Proctor has options, so they have 12 guys now before Dotel is healthy. That's why they are trying to trade a pitcher.

    As for who takes the extra roster spot, a corner outfielder who can hit right handers, perhaps acquired for said pitcher.
    You are right on. 12 pitchers, especially with the depth we have and the talent there, is way too much to fight for the available innings. I agree that everyone staying healthy is a long shot but even carrying 11 pitchers, we are insured against injury to 2 starters basically because Villone and Small can spot start and still leave behind a relatively deep pen. After that we can tap into AAA, perhaps DePaula? I mean 12 pitchers is unnecessary and I only see it happening perhaps when Dotel is back but even then, if it is early enough, we may end up dealing another pitcher, depending on the roster spot and health situations.

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    Re: Yanks talking to JT Snow?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredgmuggs
    Tony Massarotti in today's Boston Herald reports that the Yankees are no longer interested in J.T. Snow.

    http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSo...ticleid=119234

    "baseball sources have ruled out the New York Yankees, who will use the right-handed hitting Andy Phillips to back up Jason Giambi. There had been some speculation that the Yankees also were eyeing Snow as a late-inning defensive replacement."
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    Re: Yanks talking to JT Snow?

    Quote Originally Posted by BJG
    Proctor has options, so they have 12 guys now before Dotel is healthy. That's why they are trying to trade a pitcher.

    As for who takes the extra roster spot, a corner outfielder who can hit right handers, perhaps acquired for said pitcher.
    Can someone post me a link that says we are "trying to trade a pitcher?"

    I think this is absolutely false.

    I think we go into the season with 7 starters and 5 bullpen guys, PLUS Dotel and the others (who will be at AAA).

    They may not all need to be on the roster as someone may be hurt. But the only way I see us trading Sturze or Pavano (or anyone else for that matter) is if we can upgrade quality over quantity. Otherwise we will keep what we got.

    Why would we need more than 5 bench guys anyhow? A backup catcher is a must (done). A Dh (done). A fifth OF who can also run (done). A Utility inf (done), a backup 1B who can give Jason a day off(done).

    Why would we need another position player? The only way I see it is if they are an upgrade OVER Bernie or Andy. If they are an UPGRADE maybe we keep both.

    Every year our bullpen breaks down from over use. Some will say that it is because it hasn't been deep, but we've had plenty of arms out there.

    All I know is that I don't want us trading away any pitcher that can possibly help us. Small may start out at AAA and Wright maybe in the pen, but personally, I'd have all hands on board and TRY to use EVERY one of them.

    None of our starters (sans Randy) seem to go more than 6 IP any more.

    So that leaves the pen virtually 3 IP EVERY night baring an unusual circumstance where Randy goes deeper. That's enough to keep 6 guys busy every other night, depending on the circumstances. Then you have Myers who is a one out kind of guy.

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    I'm sorry, but a guy that hit .249/.321/.367 last year is not a DH.

    The bench should have 5 guys: 1. A backup catcher. 2. A utility infielder. 3. A backup 1B guy. 4. A speedy, defensive outfielder. 5. A guy that can hit leftys well.

    Right now we've got: a backup catcher, a utility infielder, a backup 1B guy, a speedy outfielder in Bubba although you would want to upgrade that. We need a pinch hitter type. We won't have that because Bernie is going to have to be in that role and maybe he can hit rightys well next year as a pinch hitter and Phillips can be the guy that hits leftys well.

    Still though, we need a DH and we don't have that. Preferably it's a guy that can play the corner outfield positions so that Sheff and Matsui can DH a lot next year.

    Having 12 pitchers, especially with Torre as your manager, is just a waste. What will happen is that a couple of the guys will not be used nearly enough and will be rusty when they do pitch - making them not effective. FRod for example was rarely used and didn't pitch well when he was. Groom should have been used more but wasn't. Torre, not surprisingly, continually used Sturtze and Gordon in blowout games. 6 men in the pen is more than enough.

    By the way, I think more of our starters will last deeper into the games now that Damon is in CF rather than Bernie.
    “I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.

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    Re: Yanks talking to JT Snow?

    Quote Originally Posted by yogibuck
    Can someone post me a link that says we are "trying to trade a pitcher?"

    I think this is absolutely false.

    I think we go into the season with 7 starters and 5 bullpen guys, PLUS Dotel and the others (who will be at AAA).

    They may not all need to be on the roster as someone may be hurt. But the only way I see us trading Sturze or Pavano (or anyone else for that matter) is if we can upgrade quality over quantity. Otherwise we will keep what we got.

    Why would we need more than 5 bench guys anyhow? A backup catcher is a must (done). A Dh (done). A fifth OF who can also run (done). A Utility inf (done), a backup 1B who can give Jason a day off(done).

    Why would we need another position player? The only way I see it is if they are an upgrade OVER Bernie or Andy. If they are an UPGRADE maybe we keep both.

    Every year our bullpen breaks down from over use. Some will say that it is because it hasn't been deep, but we've had plenty of arms out there.

    All I know is that I don't want us trading away any pitcher that can possibly help us. Small may start out at AAA and Wright maybe in the pen, but personally, I'd have all hands on board and TRY to use EVERY one of them.

    None of our starters (sans Randy) seem to go more than 6 IP any more.

    So that leaves the pen virtually 3 IP EVERY night baring an unusual circumstance where Randy goes deeper. That's enough to keep 6 guys busy every other night, depending on the circumstances. Then you have Myers who is a one out kind of guy.
    1. Rumors about Pavano being traded or Sturtze and Henn/Proctor being traded don't exist in a vacuum.

    2. I've already had a discussion re how many innings are available for the pen to pitch, and 7 relievers just doesn't work.

    3. Small is out of options.

    4. The Yankees need another position player because they need someone actually capable of playing RF and LF against righties.

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    Re: Yanks talking to JT Snow?

    Quote Originally Posted by BJG
    1. Rumors about Pavano being traded or Sturtze and Henn/Proctor being traded don't exist in a vacuum.

    2. I've already had a discussion re how many innings are available for the pen to pitch, and 7 relievers just doesn't work.

    3. Small is out of options.

    4. The Yankees need another position player because they need someone actually capable of playing RF and LF against righties.
    Apparently, you and I are the only two on this forum who recognize this fact.

    It seems like every other post about the pitching staff includes the ascertation that Small can begin the season in AAA, despite the fact that he has ML service in eight different seasons.

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    Looks like Snow is headed for Boston:

    http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/sp...ticleid=118132
    While free agent first baseman J.T. Snow has yet to make a decision regarding his place of employment next year, sources indicated that Snow has chosen Boston as his preferred destination. Two or three other clubs are believed to be in the bidding for Snow, but he and the Red Sox seem positioned to make a deal.
    The Sox would like Snow to serve as a complement to Kevin Youkilis at first base. The left-handed-hitting Snow, who is a six-time Gold Glove winner, would match nicely with the right-handed-hitting Youkilis, who has never played first base on a regular basis.
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    Re: Yanks talking to JT Snow?

    Quote Originally Posted by ring403
    Looks like Snow is headed for Boston:

    http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/sp...ticleid=118132
    Good. IMO, the more playing time Snow gets for the Sox, the worse that team is as I like what I've seen from Youkilis. I guess it gives them insurance if Lowell plays like he did last season again.
    “I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.

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    Re: Yanks talking to JT Snow?

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    Apparently, you and I are the only two on this forum who recognize this fact.

    It seems like every other post about the pitching staff includes the ascertation that Small can begin the season in AAA, despite the fact that he has ML service in eight different seasons.
    Yeah, I was one of the people that did not realize this. Now I do and it makes it more important to trade away a pitcher.
    “I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.

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    Re: Yanks talking to JT Snow?

    Quote Originally Posted by JeffWeaverFan
    Yeah, I was one of the people that did not realize this. Now I do and it makes it more important to trade away a pitcher.
    I am becoming more and more convinced that the logic of waiting until spring training before trading our excess 25-man roster pitching makes sense.

    Our problem may be even worse than we thought - does anyone know if Jason Anderson has any options left? The BaseballCube and BaseballReference list him as having ML experience in 2003 (NYY & NYM), 2004 (CLE) and 2005 (NYY) - if this fact is correct, isn't he also out of options?

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    Re: Yanks talking to JT Snow?

    Quote Originally Posted by JeffWeaverFan
    Good. IMO, the more playing time Snow gets for the Sox, the worse that team is as I like what I've seen from Youkilis. I guess it gives them insurance if Lowell plays like he did last season again.

    JT Snow against RH pitchers last year.

    279 .350 .376 .725

    Not spectacular but great defense in late innings and a solid player to have in against RH pitchers on occasion. It's a solid signing by the Red Sox in a bench role.

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