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    Re: Mike and the Mad Dog: Yankees trying to get Rowand in three-team trade

    Quote Originally Posted by DiMaggio5CF
    I just caught the end of this conversation.

    But apparently the White Sox' Aaron Rowand is on the trading block, but the Yankees don't have the chips needed to get him, so they're trying to bring in a third team to get the deal done.

    Rowand would be my number one choice for CF.
    True, he played spectacularly at the Stadium. Not true that he is overrated. He is one of the top four or five cf's in MLB. Plus, the fact that he played so well at the Stadium should make everyone here happier than a pig in s*$t! Aren't we always wishing for guys that can raise the level of play when they are in da BX?

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    This obviously translates to Cano becoming 2nd base king. Surely you can see this too!


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    Re: Mike and the Mad Dog: Yankees trying to get Rowand in three-team trade

    the white sox can trade rowand because they have several good prospects playing OF in the minors (i believe their names are brian anderson, ryan sweeney, and chris young) ...same reason they traded jeremy reed (who hit .409 in a AA season) for freddy garcia in '04. i can't recall their names, but i don't think the chisox want any part of griffey. (who would?)
    i doubt they'd trade for more pitching after priding themselves on how good their rotation was, and with konerko probably leaving town for a ridiculous contract i would assume they want a power hitter.

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    Re: Mike and the Mad Dog: Yankees trying to get Rowand in three-team trade

    So, is this just a "it might happen," "theres a good chance" or a "complete rumor" type of deal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Socal Pinstriper
    I'm in the "depends on what we give up" camp, and also the "confused as to why Chicago would want to move Rowand" camp. There are miles of dense confusing woods that seperate the two camps, so maybe sombody can help me navigate them.

    I understand that we would be OK if we signed Giles, and traded Sheff in a three way for Rowand. I would be ecstatic if we were able to somhow deal Wright/Pavano/$ in a three way ending up with Rowand.

    Where you guys are losing me in the woods, is in how this works for the WhiteSox. Realisticly (without knowing about their prospects), all they need this off season is to replace Konerko's bat (no small task). Why would they deal a productive player like Rowand who is signed for cheap to accomplish that (unless they have a great CF waiting in the wings).

    Help me out. How does this work for the Chisox?
    The White Sox would like to Brian Anderson, who is 23 and cheaper than Rowand, to be their centerfielder moving forward. They think he is ready to play every day. This means that they have to move Rowand. What they want in return depends on other factors. If they lose Konerko, they will probably look to regain that ML production, either with another 1B or by getting a RF and moving Dye to 1B. If they keep Konerko, perhaps they'll want prospects back so they can keep building towards the future. Or, they could want something else on the ML level where they think they need an upgrade. Anderson is the reason, though.

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    Re: Mike and the Mad Dog: Yankees trying to get Rowand in three-team trade

    Quote Originally Posted by Socal Pinstriper
    I'm in the "depends on what we give up" camp, and also the "confused as to why Chicago would want to move Rowand" camp. There are miles of dense confusing woods that seperate the two camps, so maybe sombody can help me navigate them.

    I understand that we would be OK if we signed Giles, and traded Sheff in a three way for Rowand. I would be ecstatic if we were able to somhow deal Wright/Pavano/$ in a three way ending up with Rowand.

    Where you guys are losing me in the woods, is in how this works for the WhiteSox. Realisticly (without knowing about their prospects), all they need this off season is to replace Konerko's bat (no small task). Why would they deal a productive player like Rowand who is signed for cheap to accomplish that (unless they have a great CF waiting in the wings).

    Help me out. How does this work for the Chisox?
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    Re: Mike and the Mad Dog: Yankees trying to get Rowand in three-team trade

    Quote Originally Posted by New Murderer's Row
    the white sox can trade rowand because they have several good prospects playing OF in the minors (i believe their names are brian anderson, ryan sweeney, and chris young) ...same reason they traded jeremy reed (who hit .409 in a AA season) for freddy garcia in '04. i can't recall their names,.
    Quote Originally Posted by BJG
    The White Sox would like to Brian Anderson, who is 23 and cheaper than Rowand, to be their centerfielder moving forward. They think he is ready to play every day. This means that they have to move Rowand. What they want in return depends on other factors. If they lose Konerko, they will probably look to regain that ML production, either with another 1B or by getting a RF and moving Dye to 1B. If they keep Konerko, perhaps they'll want prospects back so they can keep building towards the future. Or, they could want something else on the ML level where they think they need an upgrade. Anderson is the reason, though.
    Thanks guys, Anderson is the key that I was missing. Seems unlikly that they'll pull the trigger on anything until they know Konerko's fate.

    Again, Thanks.



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    Re: Mike and the Mad Dog: Yankees trying to get Rowand in three-team trade

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    Well, in all fairness, it would only be 1 of our pitchers. Frankly I would feel uncomfortable giving away more than Aaron Small, Steven White and a AAA position player.
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    Re: Mike and the Mad Dog: Yankees trying to get Rowand in three-team trade

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankeeah
    So, is this just a "it might happen," "theres a good chance" or a "complete rumor" type of deal
    I tried asking the same thing and my request was just lost in a sea of speculation.

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    Re: Mike and the Mad Dog: Yankees trying to get Rowand in three-team trade

    Quote Originally Posted by ryanthe13th
    I tried asking the same thing and my request was just lost in a sea of speculation.
    usually does. I take this as just a rumor that could happen, but has no legs. As previously mentioned, they have to wait and see about Konerko.

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    Re: Mike and the Mad Dog: Yankees trying to get Rowand in three-team trade

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthspy

    edit With his defense, and salary, he's worth Sheffield. I'd do Rowand for Sheffield in a second, only because Sheffield's defense declining could be a huge factor in how he might decline offensively this season. Keep in mind his quick wrists enable him to turn on the inside pitch. Without this bat speed, he's nothing, and with increasing age comes decreasing bat speed. So it doesn't look good for Gary's future.
    Dude, what makes you think this? How old is Sheff now, 38? He has the fastest hands in baseball at the plate. What makes you think that skill is going to evaporate overnight? I think everyone is a little too hung up on the issue of age. I'm not saying age is superior, but we need to open our eyes in certain cases and just forget about age. And Yes, Sheffield is one of those cases. That being said, I would trade him for Rowand as well.

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    Re: Mike and the Mad Dog: Yankees trying to get Rowand in three-team trade

    Can someone tell me why The White Sox would trade Rowand? Something just doesn't add up here. In particular, why would they want Cano when they supposedly have this great, young, second baseman (the Japanese guy). They don't need pitching which, oddly enough we now have in surplus. Again, something here doesn't add up.

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    Re: Mike and the Mad Dog: Yankees trying to get Rowand in three-team trade

    I could see Wang getting traded to Seattle in a threeway deal, with the Yanks getting Rowand.

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    Re: Mike and the Mad Dog: Yankees trying to get Rowand in three-team trade

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    Can someone tell me why The White Sox would trade Rowand? Something just doesn't add up here. In particular, why would they want Cano when they supposedly have this great, young, second baseman (the Japanese guy). They don't need pitching which, oddly enough we now have in surplus. Again, something here doesn't add up.
    The Anderson kid. He was ready this year, but had no room to play. I dont think that Tadahito is young, but I doubt they ask for Robbie.

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    Re: Mike and the Mad Dog: Yankees trying to get Rowand in three-team trade

    Quote Originally Posted by The Q Bomb
    Can someone tell me why The White Sox would trade Rowand? Something just doesn't add up here. In particular, why would they want Cano when they supposedly have this great, young, second baseman (the Japanese guy). They don't need pitching which, oddly enough we now have in surplus. Again, something here doesn't add up.
    Read the whole thread - or actually just back a few posts - and you'll see...
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    Re: Mike and the Mad Dog: Yankees trying to get Rowand in three-team trade

    Quote Originally Posted by The Q Bomb
    Can someone tell me why The White Sox would trade Rowand? Something just doesn't add up here. In particular, why would they want Cano when they supposedly have this great, young, second baseman (the Japanese guy). They don't need pitching which, oddly enough we now have in surplus. Again, something here doesn't add up.

    How many posts have already stated they have young talented outfielders awaiting a call-up.
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    Re: Mike and the Mad Dog: Yankees trying to get Rowand in three-team trade

    Q: Why trade Sheffield?

    Even after his contract he would make an EXCELLENT DH for us.

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    Re: Mike and the Mad Dog: Yankees trying to get Rowand in three-team trade

    Quote Originally Posted by Davios
    How many posts have already stated they have young talented outfielders awaiting a call-up.
    Sorry - I missed them. How old is Rowand?

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    Re: Mike and the Mad Dog: Yankees trying to get Rowand in three-team trade

    Brian Anderson and the White Sox possibly losing Konerko to the Angels could make a Rowand deal where we give up Sheffield a real possibility.

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    Re: Mike and the Mad Dog: Yankees trying to get Rowand in three-team trade

    Konerko will stay in Chicago

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Yankee
    Brian Anderson and the White Sox possibly losing Konerko to the Angels could make a Rowand deal where we give up Sheffield a real possibility.
    It would make sense for the White Sox to get Sheff. They got rid of Thomas and Everett - and their salaries - so I don't think the 13 million owed to Sheff would bother them.
    They could re-sign Konerko, have Dye and Sheff share DH and LF responsibilities, and add the big bat they did not have in 2005. Not that it hurt them - but they needed to get better on that end.

    Basically, is Sheff+Anderson > Rowand + Everett ? Thats the question.

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    Re: Mike and the Mad Dog: Yankees trying to get Rowand in three-team trade

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    Q: Why trade Sheffield?

    Even after his contract he would make an EXCELLENT DH for us.
    Exactly. I don't know why people are so hung up on getting rid of Gary Sheffield. This guy openly complained about playing for any other team than the Yankees. Why get rid of him?

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    Re: Mike and the Mad Dog: Yankees trying to get Rowand in three-team trade

    Quote Originally Posted by The Q Bomb
    Can someone tell me why The White Sox would trade Rowand? Something just doesn't add up here. In particular, why would they want Cano when they supposedly have this great, young, second baseman (the Japanese guy). They don't need pitching which, oddly enough we now have in surplus. Again, something here doesn't add up.
    1) read the thread before you ask questions that have already been answered.
    2) why is it that people just REFUSE to spend the time finding out names of foreign players. it's always "that Japanese guy," or "that Korean pitcher," or that "Dominican outfielder." Stop being so damn lazy.

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    Re: Mike and the Mad Dog: Yankees trying to get Rowand in three-team trade

    Quote Originally Posted by ryanthe13th
    Exactly. I don't know why people are so hung up on getting rid of Gary Sheffield. This guy openly complained about playing for any other team than the Yankees. Why get rid of him?
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    Re: Mike and the Mad Dog: Yankees trying to get Rowand in three-team trade

    if we move wang or chacon does anyone see burnett as a possibility? Without picking up a free agent pitcher, I don't see us having the starters to send wang anywhere. Realistically, the chances that wright pitches all next year are very small, and there is almost garunteed to be another injury in our geriatric rotation.

    We'd have rotation of

    RJ
    Moose
    Pavano
    Burnett
    wang/chacon (whoever doesn't get sent away)

    Wright in the pen
    Small as long guy,

    which I could live with. This wang for rowand thing seems to make sense, and I think you have to do it if you can, but I'm going to be sorry to see him go. I thought he would have made a hell of a relief pitcher.

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