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    Re: Yanks preparing offer for Gordon

    Quote Originally Posted by yank4life2005
    Gordon will turn 38 and we need to get younger. He will probably want at least a 2 year deal. There are better options besides Gordon to fill the 7th inning once we get BJ Ryan for the 8th.

    Guys like Howry, Farnsworth & Tavarez.
    All three? Ok.
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    Re: Yanks preparing offer for Gordon

    Quote Originally Posted by DontHateOnNumber2
    I would love to get Gordon back. It's quite understood that he wants to be the closer and with Mo here it will not happen. I would like to think that the prospect of winning consistently and going deep into the postseason (which will hopefully happen this year) takes precedence over his wanting to be the closer.
    Gordon = great
    Giles = crap.

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    Re: Yanks preparing offer for Gordon

    Quote Originally Posted by 32elston
    We should sign Gordon minus a no-trade and give Ryan an offer and if we can land him trade Gordon for prospects or a major leaguer. An 18th pick doesn't guarantee us anything.
    If the Yankees sign Gordon to a contract, they can not trade his contract until June 15th without his consent - MLB CBA Article XX B (6)(a)

    (6) Miscellaneous
    (a) Any Club signing a contract after the expiration of the election
    period with a Player under this Section B may not assign his
    contract until after the next June 15. However, notwithstanding the
    foregoing, such contract may be assigned for other Player contracts
    and/or cash consideration of $50,000 or less prior to the next June
    16 if the Player gives written consent to such transaction.

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    Re: Yanks preparing offer for Gordon

    Quote Originally Posted by longtimeyankeefan
    If the Yankees sign Gordon to a contract, they can not trade his contract until June 15th without his consent - MLB CBA Article XX B (6)(a)
    That's what I thought.

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    Re: Yanks preparing offer for Gordon

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankees1962
    That's what I thought.
    Yeah, I thought that too, but my feeling is Gordon would have more value at that point anyway.....someone is going to need him. The thing is once we have him we can negotiate whatever we want. We may even be able to convince him to give a run at a championship and stay the whole year. If we can come out of the box dominant maybe he would put the label of "set-up" "closer" or whatever aside for # 27

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    Re: Yanks preparing offer for Gordon

    Thats a good point he still got a few in him, the closer role can wait if he wants the ring more. I now that with the work the yankees are going to do this offseason #27 is here.
    Quote Originally Posted by 32elston
    Yeah, I thought that too, but my feeling is Gordon would have more value at that point anyway.....someone is going to need him. The thing is once we have him we can negotiate whatever we want. We may even be able to convince him to give a run at a championship and stay the whole year. If we can come out of the box dominant maybe he would put the label of "set-up" "closer" or whatever aside for # 27
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    Re: Yanks preparing offer for Gordon

    Quote Originally Posted by Stupid Flanders
    All three? Ok.

    Any of those 3 would be fine for the 7th. Add Scott Eyre also to that mix.

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    Re: Yanks preparing offer for Gordon

    Quote Originally Posted by DaddyYankee279
    So you rather have B.J. as the setup man?
    Cotts=trade
    Hermanson=FA
    Politte=FA
    Vizcaino=trade
    Marte=trade

    Jenks=Waivers

    Name the set up man in this dominant bullpen.

    There is none. They all work to get to Jenks. Before they all worked to get to Hermanson. But none of them were called "the set up man".

    Ryan would join Sturtze and two others we sign? to create a flexible and solid
    bullpen THAT WOULD NOT GET WORE OUT.

    Id advocate Farnsworth, Dotel, Ryan, but it would be hard to net all three.
    And Ive heard Howry, Gordon, and Eyre. All good options, but depth in the bullpen equals playoff team.

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    Re: Yanks preparing offer for Gordon

    [QUOTE=just-blaze]Cotts=trade
    Hermanson=FA
    Politte=FA
    Vizcaino=trade
    Marte=trade

    Jenks=Waivers

    Name the set up man in this dominant bullpen.

    There is none. They all work to get to Jenks. Before they all worked to get to Hermanson. But none of them were called "the set up man".

    QUOTE]

    Exactly. To have a pen that included Ryan, Flash, & Co. would be awesome-on paper. The problem arises when you have defined roles and egos-something the White Sox worked through. Obviously we have to sign these guys, but with Flash already expressing being a closer, it is not as likely. The questions is, do they sacrifice for a potentially lethal pen and possible WS run, or take the $$.

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    Re: Yanks preparing offer for Gordon

    Here's an interesting article that Yankee fans should be aware of because other free agent pitchers might feel the same way about coming to the Yankees.
    Having Sauerbeck back fills a hole that the Indians probably couldn't have filled on the free agent market anyway, a market that is thin on left-handed relievers. The other option for the Tribe would have been its farm system, but the organization has no proven left-handed relievers there to pick from.

    That made trying to get Sauerbeck back into the fold somewhat of a priority, although not as high a priority as trying to re-sign Kevin Millwood, Bob Howry or Bob Wickman. Still, the Indians viewed Sauerbeck as a piece they didn't want to lose.

    He didn't want to leave, either.

    "My options were: I could sign a two-year deal with the Yankees and be a left-handed specialist for two years; or have a chance to set up and earn my way back," said Sauerbeck, who turns 34 on Wednesday. "I was like, 'I don't want to lose again, but I don't want to get locked up in being a specialist.'
    http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/a...=.jsp&c_id=mlb

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    Re: Yanks preparing offer for Gordon

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankees1962
    Here's an interesting article that Yankee fans should be aware of because other free agent pitchers might feel the same way about coming to the Yankees.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/a...=.jsp&c_id=mlb
    Cleveland is going to lose?

    Saurbeck also needs to look at the bullpen that Cleveland has and realize that he will not be their "set up man"

    A bit confusing to me.

    Actually, after looking at 58 games and 35 innings that Saurbeck pitched, isnt that about what a specialist does.

    Also the article indicated that the Indians needed a lefty reliever. Rhodes?

    I dont understand that at all. I just wonder why Saurbeck would say something like that.

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    Re: Yanks preparing offer for Gordon

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankees1962
    Here's an interesting article that Yankee fans should be aware of because other free agent pitchers might feel the same way about coming to the Yankees.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/a...=.jsp&c_id=mlb


    This is also the reason why it is nearly impossible for the Yankees to build a good bench. When you have stars at virtually every position, they don't get many days off and they don't get pinch hit for irrespective of the matchup. This is one of my primary reasons for wanting just a few guys in the starting lineup who the manager isn't afraid to rest or pinch hit for due to their status. This is why players like Lofton, Trammel and others voiced there disenchantment with the Yankees and especially the manager. No one will want to come here if they aren't going to play, money be damned.
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    Re: Yanks preparing offer for Gordon

    I wonder how much of this posturing by Cashman?

    If Gordon is not back Wright may be a candidate for the 7th, as well as Henn. If they can get Ryan locked up, Cashman will eventually find a good reliever for the 7th, be it in or out of the organization. Priority is Ryan, we have time to find the 7th inning guy.
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    Re: Yanks preparing offer for Gordon

    the benefits of being able to MIX and MATCH our way to Rivera with 2 closers as setup man LH Ryan and RH Gordon makes our pen unstoppable. In Postseason, We could turn games in a 6 inning rush to score runs or face Gordon for the 6th, Ryan for the 7th, Rivera for the 8th and 9th. Imagine. After Matsui the #1 Priority must be to sign BJ Ryan. We should RE SIGN Flash Gordon at (big money if neccessary) draft picks be damned our pen would be deep and unstoppable.

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    I hope Flash gets re-signed

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    Re: Yanks preparing offer for Gordon

    Quote Originally Posted by Sierra Mist
    I hope Flash gets re-signed
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    Re: Yanks preparing offer for Gordon

    Quote Originally Posted by 38Special
    While at the same time realizing that Sturtze had a career of less than mediocrity, before having a stretch of maybe 2 months of above average pitching
    His stuff got worse after the overuse. He than suffered from a tired arm. That's on Torre.
    I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if youre their manager, you cant go out and write about them like that.

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    Re: Yanks preparing offer for Gordon

    Quote Originally Posted by JeffWeaverFan
    His stuff got worse after the overuse. He than suffered from a tired arm. That's on Torre.
    Torre's not the blame for him sucking for his entire career.

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    Re: Yanks preparing offer for Gordon

    Quote Originally Posted by SINCE77 2
    This is also the reason why it is nearly impossible for the Yankees to build a good bench. When you have stars at virtually every position, they don't get many days off and they don't get pinch hit for irrespective of the matchup. This is one of my primary reasons for wanting just a few guys in the starting lineup who the manager isn't afraid to rest or pinch hit for due to their status. This is why players like Lofton, Trammel and others voiced there disenchantment with the Yankees and especially the manager. No one will want to come here if they aren't going to play, money be damned.
    LOfton voiced his duspleasure because he's an a**hole. He never did anything here to merit more playing time. I know Torre is awful in using the talent on the bench, but in this case, he was right. Lofton's defense was no better than Bernie's- and that's not a high benchmark
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    Re: Yanks preparing offer for Gordon

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankees1962
    Torre's not the blame for him sucking for his entire career.
    He is to blame, however, for overusing Tanyon and starting him vs. Baltimore. Tanyon was a totally different pitcher after Mo taught him the cutter.

    That being said, I don't want Sturtze back.

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    Re: Yanks preparing offer for Gordon

    Quote Originally Posted by 27IsNext
    He is to blame, however, for overusing Tanyon and starting him vs. Baltimore. Tanyon was a totally different pitcher after Mo taught him the cutter.

    That being said, I don't want Sturtze back.
    I'll take Tanyon back in a heartbeat. If we have BJ and Gordon then Tanyon won't get over worked as much

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    Re: Yanks preparing offer for Gordon

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankeeah
    I'll take Tanyon back in a heartbeat. If we have BJ and Gordon then Tanyon won't get over worked as much
    Sadly, I think the overuse will affect him this next season, much like what happened to Quantrill. As such, I don't want him back.

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    Re: Yanks preparing offer for Gordon

    Quote Originally Posted by 27IsNext
    He is to blame, however, for overusing Tanyon and starting him vs. Baltimore. Tanyon was a totally different pitcher after Mo taught him the cutter.

    That being said, I don't want Sturtze back.
    Do you even remember what the middle relief was like last year? I don't think he had a choice other than to over use alot of people.

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    Re: Yanks preparing offer for Gordon

    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze
    Do you even remember what the middle relief was like last year? I don't think he had a choice other than to over use alot of people.
    I remember completely. Explain putting Tanyon in blowout games.

    Granted, Joe got better with this toward the end of the season. That's why Gordon was still somewhat effective. It was already too late for Sturtze.

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    Re: Yanks preparing offer for Gordon

    Quote Originally Posted by 27IsNext
    He is to blame, however, for overusing Tanyon and starting him vs. Baltimore. Tanyon was a totally different pitcher after Mo taught him the cutter.

    That being said, I don't want Sturtze back.
    It's not Torre's fault he needed a substitute starting pitcher due to injury.

    Some of you guys need to stop blaming Torre for every little thing that goes wrong with the Yankees.

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