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09-07-07 01:26 PM #2476
Re: The Baltimore Orioles Thread (merged)
Bedard done for season
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09-07-07 03:28 PM #2477
Re: The Baltimore Orioles Thread (merged)
Originally Posted by bobby jr
Originally Posted by bobby jr
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09-07-07 03:33 PM #2478
Re: The Baltimore Orioles Thread (merged)
Originally Posted by dmbphan1
“You can’t ascribe our fall from grace to any single event or set of circumstances. You can’t lose what you lacked at conception.”
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09-08-07 03:36 AM #2479
Re: The Baltimore Orioles Thread (merged)
All I have left to say to Junior is "Cha-Ching!!"
The summer is coming to an end, Junior and each day that goes by, your O's keep losing ground to the Jays.
If the season ended right now, you'd owe this site $24! I hope you are out there mowing some lawns, little fella!!! You're going to owe Jim Frasch some bucks!
BTW, The O's 2007 Payroll is 10th in the Majors at $95,107,807*
The Blue Jays, which are currently 12 wins better than your buddy Peter's team, IN THE SAME DIVISION, are 17th in Payroll in the Majors at $71,915,000.*
How is it possible that the Jays are that far ahead of The Peter's O's? That have a much lower payroll than the O's AND they are in the same division as those evil Yankees and Red Sox.
Well, hopefully you keep your word and honor our bet at the end of the season, Junior. Just consider your money paid to this site as yet another lesson. Hopefully, one day, you will GET IT!
But I doubt it.
*http://blog.sportscolumn.com/story/2007/4/9/1367/60158
Outside of the Red Sox, the Orioles added the most in payroll this year with an additional $22.5M. Their $95M 2007 payroll puts the Orioles at #10 on the list.....
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09-08-07 05:42 AM #2480
Re: The Baltimore Orioles Thread (merged)
IIRC, George Steinbrenner operated the Yankees at a loss for several years (does he still?) in order to spend at a level likely to bring home a championship. He didn't always have the YES revenues to compensate, either.
Does Angelos do that?Watch this space for a pithy new signature, now under construction!
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09-08-07 07:04 AM #2481
Re: The Baltimore Orioles Thread (merged)
Originally Posted by dmbphan1
If only there was a salary cap, the the Orioles would be quitting in a more equitable economic environment. Maybe f they charged Boston instead of giving it up for free, they could use some of that money to invest in players or another house for St Peter.Beware the Bobcat!!!
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09-08-07 07:14 AM #2482
Re: The Baltimore Orioles Thread (merged)
Originally Posted by YASS
According to Forbes.com, the Yankees have been operating at a loss for the last four years:
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/33/...es_334613.html
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09-08-07 09:58 AM #2483
Re: The Baltimore Orioles Thread (merged)
Originally Posted by Toaderly
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09-08-07 07:07 PM #2484
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Originally Posted by #1PaFan
I love that in the standings, the White Sox (#4) are badly trailing the Indians (#23), the Tigers (#9). The Twins (#19), and, of ALL people, the Royals (#22). Interesting to note that the Royals are out-spending the Indians.
Gotta love that the Diamondbacks (#26), the Rockies (#25), and Padres (#24) are leading or are neck-and-neck with the Dodgers (#6). It's also interesting that the three teams in this division with payroll levels in the bottom portion of the list are BURYING their divisional mates, the Giants (#11).
I love that Milwaukee (#18) is right there in the battle for the N.L. Central with the Cubs (#8).
But the best one is the fact that Toronto (#17) is opening up a good chunk of distance between themselves and our good little friends, the Orioles (#10).
Right, right, right, I forgot. These are "exceptions." The fact that this phenomenon occurs every year and with a similar number of teams every year doesn't matter.
For the record and for about the 134th time, I'll again state that I've never said that money doesn't help but if your front-office and ownership groups are staffed with guys whose brains are made out of ricotta cheese, you're going to lose, quite frequently to teams with samller payrolls.There is no "I" in "team" but there is a dismembered and mixed-up "me."
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09-08-07 08:56 PM #2485
Re: The Baltimore Orioles Thread (merged)
Not only does the team give up for the season but the fans did too. There was at least two banners up declaring Camden Yards "Fenway South".. What a disgrace. I guess charging more for tickets to the weekend games with rivals really makes sense. They're able to attract the people with money to spend while keeping the regular average Orioles fan away from the park.
That's what i call a real fan friendly move by the front office.Beware the Bobcat!!!
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09-08-07 09:00 PM #2486
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Re: The Baltimore Orioles Thread (merged)
Originally Posted by whalers
Under the present economic system in MLB, the Yankees may never miss the playoffs. And even if they do barely miss it one year, they will be close, they will have a winning record, and they will be back in the next year.
When I read MLB forums in Tampa, Baltimore, and Toronto, I see more and more talk about the need for a salary cap in MLB. Such talk was just not there a couple of years ago. Also attendance and enthusiasm is way down in Baltimore and Toronto compared to the old days when our teams contended. As for Tampa Bay, their team has never contended and they have never had a chance to develop their potential for a large fan base.
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09-08-07 09:05 PM #2487
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Re: The Baltimore Orioles Thread (merged)
Originally Posted by cupcollector99
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09-08-07 09:36 PM #2488
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nice win BALTIMORE!!!!!!
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09-08-07 09:39 PM #2489
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Re: The Baltimore Orioles Thread (merged)
Originally Posted by Toaderly
That being said, they still are always amongst the top one or two in terms of percentage spent in relation to actual revenues.
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09-08-07 09:54 PM #2490
Re: The Baltimore Orioles Thread (merged)
Originally Posted by yanksphan
It appears he's trying to make it even worse for the Yankees for the next five to eight years.
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09-08-07 11:11 PM #2491
Re: The Baltimore Orioles Thread (merged)
Originally Posted by gold23
“You can’t ascribe our fall from grace to any single event or set of circumstances. You can’t lose what you lacked at conception.”
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09-08-07 11:16 PM #2492
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Re: The Baltimore Orioles Thread (merged)
I'd like to point out that the O's, being the 10th highest payroll in baseball are only 2.5 games better than the lowest payroll team in the majors... the Devil Rays. It's not at all a stretch to suggest they may even finish behind them.
If payroll is such a driving factor in regular season success, how can a team with a 24 million dollar payroll be essentially as good as a team with a 95 million dollar payroll? Shouldn't having a 400% higher payroll equate to about 4 times as many wins? Or at the least twice as many? 10 more even?
It's funny that you were so sure the O's would finish 10 ahead of Toronto and they won't even finish that far ahead of the DRays.
It's also interesting that there isn't a single team in the entire major leagues with less wins than Baltimore right now, aside from Tampa Bay. So, having a higher payroll than 20 teams, by your logic, should have led to more wins than 20 teams, right? Even allowing for some variation due to the unexpected, wouldn't you be able to reasonably expect that the O's would have more wins than 15 of those teams? Maybe 10? But 1?
I think it's time for you to step up to the plate and finally admit that the Orioles' problems are due more to poor management than anything the Red Sox or Yankees have done.
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09-09-07 07:04 AM #2493
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Re: The Baltimore Orioles Thread (merged)
I'm beginning to think that Bobby has automated responses that he just submits at random on his computer. Because his responses generally have nothing to do with the thread he replies to.
you are your own happiness
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09-09-07 07:10 AM #2494
Re: The Baltimore Orioles Thread (merged)
Originally Posted by GoRocket
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09-09-07 10:48 AM #2495
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Originally Posted by Lucen
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09-09-07 12:58 PM #2496
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Re: The Baltimore Orioles Thread (merged)
Originally Posted by Lucen
A link to a statistical analyis was posted to this study by Why Not a month or so ago.
Let me put it this way. The Orioles could obtain the best possible owner, the best possible GM, and the best scouting system. And we would still be at a disadvantage to the Yankees, who have more than twice as much money to spend each year, based upon revenue flow. And the Red Sox are spending 50% more than the O's so the O's would still be at a disadvantage to them.
The importance of payroll cannot be overestimated. Frankly, any team with as much of a payroll advantage as the Yankees have should never miss the playoffs. And they haven't for 12 straight years, going on 13.
Therefore it is far more important for me to fix the MLB economic system so that it is more of an even playing field , rather than to moan and groan about the O's not making all the right personnel decisions. Because fixing the system is far more important for the O's long term success.
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09-09-07 01:03 PM #2497
Re: The Baltimore Orioles Thread (merged)
Originally Posted by bobby jr
Therefore it is far more important for me to fix the MLB economic system so that it is more of an even playing field , rather than to moan and groan about the O's not making all the right personnel decisions. Because fixing the system is far more important for the O's long term success.
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09-09-07 01:31 PM #2498
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Re: The Baltimore Orioles Thread (merged)
Originally Posted by girardi08
I don't think the O's have the money to spend the Red Sox and Yankees do, even with the MASN deal. Although there is no way to know for certain unless all the teams open their books which is not likely to occur.
It is true that the Os would have to make better personnel decisions if there was a salary cap. But before I worry about that , I think a cap or greater revenue sharing is the number one objective, because without that the situation for the O's, Toronto, and Tampa Bay in the AL East is almost hopeless, for making the playoffs.
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09-09-07 02:33 PM #2499
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Re: The Baltimore Orioles Thread (merged)
Originally Posted by bobby jr
You need to face the fact that your owner and his staff are horrible at running a baseball franchise.
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09-09-07 02:58 PM #2500
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Re: The Baltimore Orioles Thread (merged)
Originally Posted by bobby jr
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