Any News on BK Kim?

**nyyfanatic85** · 03-20-04 09:44 AM

How is his injury coming along? I want to be sure this guy will be ready for the first Yanks-Sox series.

**NDBoston** · 03-20-04 10:20 AM

My guess is that you won't see Kim pitching until May for the Red Sox. He has an inflamation in his shoulder and had to shut it down for two weeks.He will be spending time in Ft. Myers once the season starts to build up endurance.

I can't wait for Kim to face the Yankees as the 5th starter. He's the best 5th starter in baseball IMO. (We don't need to argue this point again. I didn't forget about Matt Clement)

**SubwayFanatic** · 03-20-04 10:44 AM

Originally posted by NDBoston
I can't wait for Kim to face the Yankees as the 5th starter. He's the best 5th starter in baseball IMO. (We don't need to argue this point again. I didn't forget about Matt Clement)

From an objective standpoint, I agree with you about this.

Kim, in my mind, gets unfairly scrutinized for throwing two gopher balls, three years ago, in a series in which his team ended up winning.

The guy has been a good/very good MLB player who has even shown flashes of brilliance.

I think he will be a very valuable addition to the Sox.

**Soriambi** · 03-20-04 11:28 AM

Originally posted by SubwayFanatic

From an objective standpoint, I agree with you about this.

Kim, in my mind, gets unfairly scrutinized for throwing two gopher balls, three years ago, in a series in which his team ended up winning.

The guy has been a good/very good MLB player who has even shown flashes of brilliance.

I think he will be a very valuable addition to the Sox.

I think that Kim, Lieber, and Clement are right up there as the best #5s in baseball.

**SuperMario66** · 03-20-04 11:29 AM

Hey Steve (or whomever else wishes to answer) - what was the main reason for making him a starter?

**bakntime** · 03-20-04 11:30 AM

Bronson Arroyo will take over as the Sox 5th starter, at least for the time being.

**bakntime** · 03-20-04 11:31 AM

Originally posted by SuperMario66
Hey Steve (or whomever else wishes to answer) - what was the main reason for making him a starter?

They needed one.

**SuperMario66** · 03-20-04 11:37 AM

Originally posted by bakntime

They needed one.

That's it? It didn't have anything to do with him, just the team?

**NDBoston** · 03-20-04 11:46 AM

Originally posted by SuperMario66

That's it? It didn't have anything to do with him, just the team?

Kim requested to be a starter, and the Red Sox were able to sign the best FA closer available.

I'm not on the Arroyo bandwagon. I will save that argument for SoSH.

**YankeePride1967** · 03-20-04 02:14 PM

Originally posted by NDBoston
My guess is that you won't see Kim pitching until May for the Red Sox. He has an inflamation in his shoulder and had to shut it down for two weeks.He will be spending time in Ft. Myers once the season starts to build up endurance.

I can't wait for Kim to face the Yankees as the 5th starter. He's the best 5th starter in baseball IMO. (We don't need to argue this point again. I didn't forget about Matt Clement)

That's provided they don't protect him and avoid pitching him against NY as they did last year.

**NDBoston** · 03-20-04 03:24 PM

Originally posted by GoRocket

That's provided they don't protect him and avoid pitching him against NY as they did last year.

Kim was put on the DL for an inflamed shoulder. I will believe Theo

Kim pitched against the Yankees 7 times last year. He had a higher ERA with 6 other teams besides the Yankees. He must be afraid of those teams too. :rolleyes:

I love this 2001 discussion. Let's talk about it. Brenley brought Kim back the next game after throwing 60 pitches the night before. What a choker Kim is!!

Take a look at Kim's 2001 numbers in the NLCS and NLDS. Kim was one of the main reasons they made it into the World Series.

Kim pitched for his life in Korea. He had to win a game to continue playing baseball, or be forced into the army. That's pressure.

This argument is as idiotic as saying the Red Sox own Contreras after last year.

**bakntime** · 03-20-04 04:00 PM

BK "Jack McDowell" Kim hasn't proven much in the AL yet. I don't see how he's suddenly the best 5th starter in baseball considering he's had only 13 career starts. Maybe he has the potential to be it, but right now he's not even throwing a baseball, so about all he's in the running for right now is best 5th starter in baseball who's not currently pitching.

**pacewon** · 03-20-04 04:01 PM

Originally posted by SubwayFanatic
Kim, in my mind, gets unfairly scrutinized for throwing two gopher balls, three years ago, in a series in which his team ended up winning.

Actually, it was 3 gopher balls... But who's counting?

**pacewon** · 03-20-04 04:03 PM

Originally posted by bakntime
BK "Jack McDowell" Kim hasn't proven much in the AL yet. I don't see how he's suddenly the best 5th starter in baseball considering he's had only 13 career starts. Maybe he has the potential to be it, but right now he's not even throwing a baseball, so about all he's in the running for right now is best 5th starter in baseball who's not currently pitching.

So true

**NDBoston** · 03-20-04 04:16 PM

Originally posted by bakntime
BK "Jack McDowell" Kim hasn't proven much in the AL yet. I don't see how he's suddenly the best 5th starter in baseball considering he's had only 13 career starts. Maybe he has the potential to be it, but right now he's not even throwing a baseball, so about all he's in the running for right now is best 5th starter in baseball who's not currently pitching.

I guess those 4 years in MLB with an ERA of 3.24, would be good reason to think that.

**pacewon** · 03-20-04 04:21 PM

Originally posted by NDBoston

I guess those 4 years in MLB with an ERA of 3.24, would be good reason to think that.

Even though that 3.24 was compiled with 279 relief appearances and only 13 starts.

**YankeePride1967** · 03-20-04 04:39 PM

Originally posted by NDBoston

Kim was put on the DL for an inflamed shoulder. I will believe Theo

Kim pitched against the Yankees 7 times last year. He had a higher ERA with 6 other teams besides the Yankees. He must be afraid of those teams too. :rolleyes:

I love this 2001 discussion. Let's talk about it. Brenley brought Kim back the next game after throwing 60 pitches the night before. What a choker Kim is!!

Take a look at Kim's 2001 numbers in the NLCS and NLDS. Kim was one of the main reasons they made it into the World Series.

Kim pitched for his life in Korea. He had to win a game to continue playing baseball, or be forced into the army. That's pressure.

This argument is as idiotic as saying the Red Sox own Contreras after last year.

How short our memories are. In those September series Little even said that he would not pitch Kim in either series and did not. A direct result of his past failures (not just the 2001 WS which you keep mentioning, I never did) against the Yanks. He was healthy too! And he has never pitched well against the Yanks. He seems to be the next Bob Gibson though in Boston :rolleyes:

**YankeePride1967** · 03-20-04 04:42 PM

Originally posted by NDBoston

I guess those 4 years in MLB with an ERA of 3.24, would be good reason to think that.

Then I think Contreras 3.30 ERA last year should count for something too. Let's see Kim throw 175 innings this year before we overhype him any more.

**bakntime** · 03-20-04 05:16 PM

Originally posted by NDBoston

I guess those 4 years in MLB with an ERA of 3.24, would be good reason to think that.

ERA can be a very deceptive stat for a reliever.

**YankeePride1967** · 03-20-04 05:21 PM

Originally posted by bakntime

ERA can be a very deceptive stat for a reliever.

Very much so as they don't count inherited runners scoring. And 13 career starts is a bit pre-mature to start counting this guy as a proven anything. I'll take Matt Clement any day as a number 5.

**NJOBP36** · 03-20-04 06:37 PM

Originally posted by bakntime

ERA can be a very deceptive stat for a reliever.

It can be but all his other numbers are excellent too.

**deranged2005** · 03-20-04 06:41 PM

Originally posted by NJOBP36
It can be but all his other numbers are excellent too.

Could be because he was a reliever, right?

**ACPS** · 03-20-04 06:55 PM

BK Kim...yes, please!

**bakntime** · 03-20-04 07:39 PM

Kim

K/9:

2000: 14.14
2001: 10.38
2002: 9.86
2003: 7.50

BAA:

2001: .173
2002: .208
2003: .224

This is an indication that maybe baseball is starting to "catch on" to him... His BB/9 numbers have improved quite a bit, though, and his OPS against has remained relatively good.

**cubswin** · 03-20-04 07:55 PM

Obviously there are ?s about Kim, but if you're comparing 5th starters, Lieber has some pretty clear ?s, too. Hasn't pitched in 1 1/2 yrs, career era well over 4 while pitching in the NL, best ERA for a full season was 3.8, etc. And I like Clement, but again, he hasn't had a stellar career. There's a reason these guys are 5th starters...

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