If the Boston deals go through...

[YankyDave]

If they pull off the Schilling move and are able to do a Manny for ARod deal, I'd like if Larry Lucchino would come out and apologize for calling anyone an Evil Empire. Pot meet kettle.

[NDBoston]

Originally posted by YankyDave
If they pull off the Schilling move and are able to do a Manny for ARod deal, I'd like if Larry Lucchino would come out and apologize for calling anyone an Evil Empire. Pot meet kettle.

Boston would then have a payroll around 125 million. Word is the salary level has to be at 120 million or less(below the tax level), meaning the Sox would trade Damon or Nixon or??

The Yankees should come in at a number north of 200 million if they sign Pettite, Colon, Sheffield and either M-Rod or Matsui.

80 million is quite a big pot

[RYANSIC04]

Originally posted by YankyDave
If they pull off the Schilling move and are able to do a Manny for ARod deal, I'd like if Larry Lucchino would come out and apologize for calling anyone an Evil Empire. Pot meet kettle.

Hell, good for Boston. Let them stack up their team so they can continue to be the best second place team in sports.

[YANKEE MAGIC]

Originally posted by RYANSIC04


Hell, good for Boston. Let them stack up their team so they can continue to be the best second place team in sports.

I agree.......

[ACPS]

Boston proved who the real "evil empire" was with their boorish behavior throughout the 2003 playoffs.

[NicktheStick36]

Lucchino is a jackass...

[DkNNy79]

Originally posted by NDBoston
Boston would then have a payroll around 125 million. Word is the salary level has to be at 120 million or less(below the tax level), meaning the Sox would trade Damon or Nixon or??

The Yankees should come in at a number north of 200 million if they sign Pettite, Colon, Sheffield and either M-Rod or Matsui.

80 million is quite a big pot

I understand what you're saying. However, since everyteam seems to demand much more from us when doing negotiations, I don't know how we can avoid the high payroll.

[behindenemylines]

Originally posted by NDBoston



Boston would then have a payroll around 125 million. Word is the salary level has to be at 120 million or less(below the tax level), meaning the Sox would trade Damon or Nixon or??

The Yankees should come in at a number north of 200 million if they sign Pettite, Colon, Sheffield and either M-Rod or Matsui.

80 million is quite a big pot

Let me first say that it's nice to hear from a calm, reasonable Boston fan on this board. I would have expected worse (possibly like some of the Yankee fans on the Boston board).

That being said, why are you criticizing the Yankees for attempting to sign free agents while other big market teams like Boston (I consider all of New England a "big market), the Orioles (Washington, D.C.- Baltimore metropolitan area) and LA (obvious) get a pass? Some of the big contracts for free agents are re-signings of their own players- why should we be mad that Andy Pettite commands a large salary? You have to pay whatever the market demands.

They also need to sign at the very least one other free agent starter, due to retirements and contract expirations. Let's see how Boston reacts when Nomar and Pedro become free agents. The Yankees have used free agency no more and no less than the Sox. Their only advantage is they have enough money that if something goes wrong, it's no big deal. In many respects, they're at a disadvantage in signing free agents. How many times have we heard "Oh, he doesn't want to be in such a big market" or "How will he react to the New York press" (as if the Boston press is any more polite- I lived in Boston when they ran Jose Offermans and Wil Cordero out of town on a rail).

If I recall, when Bernie's contract was up, the Sox courted him heavily, so the Yankees had to ante up in order to keep him. Keeping your own players yields a high payroll, which is why teams give up guys like Pedro Martinez in "trades" all the time. Part of the difference between 120 million and 200 million is the cost of consistency, especially for good players (Bernie is probably past his prime, but that's for another topic).

If the payroll tax level stays at around 120 million after next season (I'm not sure what the rule for the tax- it probably changes a little every year) and the Sox want to stay below that, what do you think the team will look like in 2005? Or even in 2004 as free agency looms for Nomar, Pedro (and I think Varitek, Trot and Lowe, too?). A first round pick might not be all that attractive for a team that wants to win now.

[YANKEE MAGIC]

Originally posted by NicktheStick36
Lucchino is a jackass...

Well put

[junkman73]

Schilling would simply replace Pedro...Pedro's at the end of his rope...the Yanks went 5-1 vs Boston in the games he started last year. not to mention all the players who had career years last year would have to repeat those feats....no sense in being concerned until there's a reason to be concerned....

[NicktheStick36]

The tax threshhold is $120.5 million next year. The Red Sox tax will be 22.5% for the first breach. Yankees will be 30% since this is their second breach.

I think alot of the grousing from the other big market teams is that there is a much bigger gap between the #1 team in payroll, and the #2 team. Last year, it was the biggest gap in baseball.

There is also animosity because Steinbrenner is a maverick. He's loud and boisterous, and he's definatly not one of Selig's boys. He voted against the CBA, and he was more worried about product then winning one against the damn players.

The Yankees also have a revenue stream that is unmatched by any team. Boston is the 6th biggest media market in the country, but they're revenues aren't close to the Yankees. Boston has been poorly run in the past, but now they seem to have their heads on straight. Los Angeles might get better with new ownership. Angelos is a nutcase in Baltimore, and we all know about the Mets. The Phillies have the 4th biggest market in the US, and the biggest unshared market, for what its worth.

I can't say I blame the 2nd tier big market teams, especially the Red Sox. The Sox have to directly compete on the same playing field as the biggest financial forse in the game. Not only that, but they have to deal with George's constant whining about just about everything that isn't in his self-interest (that Interleague thing was laughable. He was complaing about a schedualing bias against the Yankees, even though the Yankees NL opponets had a worse record when they played the Yankees then the Sox NL teams did. They also finished worse then the Sox' teams.) Also, there is alot of loser's remorse. The top dog is usually resented by the teams they defeated.

I'm just glad I'm a Yankee fan, where the only thing I need to worry about it getting dirty looks from Sox fans in RI, and listening to Yankee fans say there is a Yankee bias that seemling reaches all the way to the White House.

[behindenemylines]

Originally posted by NicktheStick36

I'm just glad I'm a Yankee fan, where the only thing I need to worry about it getting dirty looks from Sox fans in RI, and listening to Yankee fans say there is a Yankee bias that seemling reaches all the way to the White House.

It does....wasn't Dubya a part owner of the Rangers?

[NDBoston]

Originally posted by behindenemylines


Let me first say that it's nice to hear from a calm, reasonable Boston fan on this board. I would have expected worse (possibly like some of the Yankee fans on the Boston board).

That being said, why are you criticizing the Yankees for attempting to sign free agents while other big market teams like Boston (I consider all of New England a "big market), the Orioles (Washington, D.C.- Baltimore metropolitan area) and LA (obvious) get a pass? Some of the big contracts for free agents are re-signings of their own players- why should we be mad that Andy Pettite commands a large salary? You have to pay whatever the market demands.

They also need to sign at the very least one other free agent starter, due to retirements and contract expirations. Let's see how Boston reacts when Nomar and Pedro become free agents. The Yankees have used free agency no more and no less than the Sox. Their only advantage is they have enough money that if something goes wrong, it's no big deal. In many respects, they're at a disadvantage in signing free agents. How many times have we heard "Oh, he doesn't want to be in such a big market" or "How will he react to the New York press" (as if the Boston press is any more polite- I lived in Boston when they ran Jose Offermans and Wil Cordero out of town on a rail).

If I recall, when Bernie's contract was up, the Sox courted him heavily, so the Yankees had to ante up in order to keep him. Keeping your own players yields a high payroll, which is why teams give up guys like Pedro Martinez in "trades" all the time. Part of the difference between 120 million and 200 million is the cost of consistency, especially for good players (Bernie is probably past his prime, but that's for another topic).

If the payroll tax level stays at around 120 million after next season (I'm not sure what the rule for the tax- it probably changes a little every year) and the Sox want to stay below that, what do you think the team will look like in 2005? Or even in 2004 as free agency looms for Nomar, Pedro (and I think Varitek, Trot and Lowe, too?). A first round pick might not be all that attractive for a team that wants to win now.

I wasn't criticizing the Yankees. I was commenting on calling the Red Sox "The Evil Empire"

I thought the guy who started the thread, needed a reality break.

Trust me, I wish the Red Sox had the 100 million more in yearly revenue that the Yankees enjoy now . I would do the same thing if I was George.

I'm pretty calm during the offseason. I lose it come July timeframe

[NDBoston]

Originally posted by behindenemylines


Let me first say that it's nice to hear from a calm, reasonable Boston fan on this board. I would have expected worse (possibly like some of the Yankee fans on the Boston board).

That being said, why are you criticizing the Yankees for attempting to sign free agents while other big market teams like Boston (I consider all of New England a "big market), the Orioles (Washington, D.C.- Baltimore metropolitan area) and LA (obvious) get a pass? Some of the big contracts for free agents are re-signings of their own players- why should we be mad that Andy Pettite commands a large salary? You have to pay whatever the market demands.

They also need to sign at the very least one other free agent starter, due to retirements and contract expirations. Let's see how Boston reacts when Nomar and Pedro become free agents. The Yankees have used free agency no more and no less than the Sox. Their only advantage is they have enough money that if something goes wrong, it's no big deal. In many respects, they're at a disadvantage in signing free agents. How many times have we heard "Oh, he doesn't want to be in such a big market" or "How will he react to the New York press" (as if the Boston press is any more polite- I lived in Boston when they ran Jose Offermans and Wil Cordero out of town on a rail).

If I recall, when Bernie's contract was up, the Sox courted him heavily, so the Yankees had to ante up in order to keep him. Keeping your own players yields a high payroll, which is why teams give up guys like Pedro Martinez in "trades" all the time. Part of the difference between 120 million and 200 million is the cost of consistency, especially for good players (Bernie is probably past his prime, but that's for another topic).

If the payroll tax level stays at around 120 million after next season (I'm not sure what the rule for the tax- it probably changes a little every year) and the Sox want to stay below that, what do you think the team will look like in 2005? Or even in 2004 as free agency looms for Nomar, Pedro (and I think Varitek, Trot and Lowe, too?). A first round pick might not be all that attractive for a team that wants to win now.

I wasn't criticizing the Yankees. I was commenting on calling the Red Sox "The Evil Empire"

I thought the guy who started the thread, needed a reality break.

Trust me, I wish the Red Sox had the 100 million more in yearly revenue that the Yankees enjoy now . I would do the same thing if I was George.

I'm pretty calm during the offseason. I lose it come July timeframe

[NicktheStick36]

Originally posted by behindenemylines


It does....wasn't Dubya a part owner of the Rangers?

Haha...well met. I would say all the way to the UN, but Kofi Annan was a minority holder in the Kansas City Royals in the 70s

[YankyDave]

Larry's the one who needs the reality break ND. He cries and then might pull off getting ARod and Schilling. Hell go for Milton and Foulke too, it won't cure the curse.

[Rich]

Originally posted by DkNNy79


I understand what you're saying. However, since every team seems to demand much more from us when doing negotiations, I don't know how we can avoid the high payroll.

That's why I would like to see the Yankees' payroll at $250 million.

[NDBoston]

Originally posted by YankyDave
Larry's the one who needs the reality break ND. He cries and then might pull off getting ARod and Schilling. Hell go for Milton and Foulke too, it won't cure the curse.

no offense Dave, but the curse is for idiots.

IT was created by a Boston sportwriter I refuse to mention, as I don't want to help book sales.

I know it's fun to talk about on message boards, but that's about it.

The Yankees will still spend 70% more than the Red Sox and you won't see Milton near the Sox IMO

[YankyDave]

Blaming their woes on the curse sure beats calling them the choking dogs that they are, doesn't it?

[NDBoston]

Originally posted by YankyDave
Blaming their woes on the curse sure beats calling them the choking dogs that they are, doesn't it?

I prefer managerial stupidity.

[NicktheStick36]

Originally posted by YankyDave
Blaming their woes on the curse sure beats calling them the choking dogs that they are, doesn't it?

Mmmmm...dehumanizing rhetoric

[YankyDave]

Mmmmmm, kissing up to the Sox on a Yankees site.

[NDBoston]

Originally posted by YankyDave
Mmmmmm, kissing up to the Sox on a Yankees site.

Well you started ths horrible thread. I'm glad there are a few rational Yankee fans on the board

[YankyDave]

Lucchino is a clown with an inferiority complex and he showed it last year when they lost out on Matsui. Now that the Sox are going out and pulling a "Steinbrenner" I figured he was due to apologize. Your only defense is they won't spend as much as the Yanks. Well, if your team won four World Series, you'd have a bunch of overpaid players too. That's the main reason the Yanks have a higher payroll. As far as free agents, the Yanks haven't spent any more than the Sox.

[Pedro's cuff]

Originally posted by NDBoston


Well you started ths horrible thread. I'm glad there are a few rational Yankee fans on the board

ND, just ask him about the windmills at Fenway. It'll be fun for everyone.

Not that I want anyone to go all Duka on you.