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10-02-03 09:51 AM #1
So can Boston keep putting BK out there?
Let's face it, Byung Hyung Kim is a serious problem for the Red Sox right now. Although he didn't flat out implode last night, he did not shut the door and did blow the save. If BK can't close, the Red Sox are in a serious bullpen crisis- they went through almost the entire pen last night. Not to mention Pedro threw 130 pitches (someone mentioned that Pedro could on non-start days close) and will most likely not be able to throw over 100 his next start.
But BK is a huge issue because if may make the Sox just throw whoever's warmed up into the fray to close the game. Like the Yankees, the bullpen has been very weak at times, but for the Sox, it's worse now because they burned everyone up AND have a game today! BK has to be used, but how? Can he be allowed to pitch in a closer's role or in tight situations?
Honestly, I think this guy shouldn't be allowed to pitch in trouble...
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10-02-03 09:54 AM #2
As a Yankee fan, I certaintly HOPE they keep putting BK out there.
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10-02-03 09:55 AM #3
It's not like the Sox have a lot of choices out there. Their pitching depth is poor after Pedro and that will be their demise. Letting Lowe pitch at all in relief shows desperation.
Let the kids play.
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10-02-03 10:15 AM #4
That reaction by Kim when he hit that guy last night was priceless.
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10-02-03 10:19 AM #5
Does anyome know offhand how many pitches Lowe threw last night?
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10-02-03 10:23 AM #6
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Originally posted by LilChief
Does anyome know offhand how many pitches Lowe threw last night?
Mid 40's mabye
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10-02-03 10:26 AM #7
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Lowe threw 43.
Singleton swung when he got hit by Kim's pitch. That's why he was pissed.
But, Kim was pretty much unhittable last night. Wild and whatnot, but unhittable. He would have gotten Durazo out I bet. Unfortunately, he wasn't given that chance.
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10-02-03 10:45 AM #8
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Originally posted by yecul
Lowe threw 43.
Singleton swung when he got hit by Kim's pitch. That's why he was pissed.
But, Kim was pretty much unhittable last night. Wild and whatnot, but unhittable. He would have gotten Durazo out I bet. Unfortunately, he wasn't given that chance.
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10-02-03 11:41 AM #9
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Originally posted by Gehrig'sGhost
Having now seen the replay, I still don't think he swung at the pitch, but checked, and then turned his body to avoid the ball.
Since you said you were at the game last night, I have a question for you. It seemed on TV last night in the bottom of the 10th that Randy Marsh, the home plate umpire, annexed a couple of nearby counties into his strike zone. Did those strike calls seem as bad in person as they did on TV?
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10-02-03 11:44 AM #10
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If he would permanently remove that ugly hat with the red "B" on it, I would feel very bad for Kim. I'm sure that the Babe would agree: no compassion for a Red Sox, ever.
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10-02-03 12:18 PM #11
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The strike zone varied throughout the night. Terrible umping.
I disagree though, he went around. The announcers thought he did too.
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10-02-03 12:28 PM #12
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BK pitched relatively well. He was hurt by some bad luck, and a few missed calls. He wasn't given the chance to finish what he started.
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10-02-03 12:29 PM #13
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Originally posted by Gehrig'sGhost
I disagree. I was at the game last night and from where we were sitting we did not think he had swung. Having now seen the replay, I still don't think he swung at the pitch, but checked, and then turned his body to avoid the ball. It may or may not have made a difference, but we'll never know.
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10-02-03 12:33 PM #14
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Originally posted by yecul
The announcers thought he did too.
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10-02-03 12:38 PM #15Originally posted by yecul
The strike zone varied throughout the night. Terrible umping.
James
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10-02-03 12:41 PM #16Originally posted by DkNNy79
As a Yankee fan, I certaintly HOPE they keep putting BK out there.In Cashman I trust.
Players come and go, flags fly forever.
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10-02-03 01:16 PM #17
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Originally posted by CommerceComet
Exactly as I saw it on TV last night before the replay. He had stopped his swing and was trying to avoid the pitch.
Since you said you were at the game last night, I have a question for you. It seemed on TV last night in the bottom of the 10th that Randy Marsh, the home plate umpire, annexed a couple of nearby counties into his strike zone. Did those strike calls seem as bad in person as they did on TV?
I watched the replay of Bung's HBP on VCR three times this morning without benefit of sound or without hearing what the annoucers said (like that is authoritative). There is no question in my mind that the correct call was made. Little really didn't argue that much and Varitek either from what I could see. Surely, some Boston fans will disagree because some have their own special outlook on reality and excuses are sometimes better than truth. But, four Sux fans sitting in front of us at the game, and several in the parking lot after the game, thought it was the right call, too, so there you go.
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10-02-03 02:06 PM #18
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Originally posted by Gehrig'sGhost
There is no question in my mind that the correct call was made. Little really didn't argue that much and Varitek either from what I could see. Surely, some Boston fans will disagree because some have their own special outlook on reality and excuses are sometimes better than truth. But, four Sux fans sitting in front of us at the game, and several in the parking lot after the game, thought it was the right call, too, so there you go.) and of the bat, the only intent at this point was to avoid the pitch, not to hit it.
The call turned out to be important but the Red Sox can't blame the loss on that. They failed to convert several earlier scoring opportunities. In addition, after the call, they still had an opportunity to get out of the inning with the victory but didn't get it done.
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10-02-03 02:26 PM #19
I was wondering about Kim myself.... he looked pissed to be taken out.
"He knew, as he went after that ball, that he had a decision to make," said Tony Clark, who watched the play unfold from first base. "Either you let the ball drop and try to minimize the damage, or you make the catch and pay the consequences. He knew that, no doubt about it, and he chose B."
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10-02-03 02:26 PM #20
Well, there ya go, there's the excuse Boston fans needed if they don't win the series. He didn't check his swing and there was bad umpiring. Boston fans always plan ahead and they got their excuse down pat in game 1.
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10-02-03 02:29 PM #21
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10-02-03 02:33 PM #22
To me it looked like he stopped his swing, but then turned to avoid the ball. I'm not saying this because I dislike the Red Sox, that's just the way it looked to me.
To me the most damaging thing for the Red Sox was having Lowe pitch so long... 43 pitches under pressure 2 days before you have to start is a bit much."He knew, as he went after that ball, that he had a decision to make," said Tony Clark, who watched the play unfold from first base. "Either you let the ball drop and try to minimize the damage, or you make the catch and pay the consequences. He knew that, no doubt about it, and he chose B."
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10-02-03 02:37 PM #23Originally posted by Alex
To me the most damaging thing for the Red Sox was having Lowe pitch so long... 43 pitches under pressure 2 days before you have to start is a bit much.
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10-02-03 03:14 PM #24Originally posted by CalifYanksFan
In three words? LET'S HOPE SO!In Cashman I trust.
Players come and go, flags fly forever.
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10-02-03 04:12 PM #25Originally posted by ACPS
I agree. Where was that Arryoyo (whatever) guy that was so great against us? If I were a Sox fan, I want Lowe fresh and rested for game three, which is shaping up to be huge."He knew, as he went after that ball, that he had a decision to make," said Tony Clark, who watched the play unfold from first base. "Either you let the ball drop and try to minimize the damage, or you make the catch and pay the consequences. He knew that, no doubt about it, and he chose B."
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