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    Rob Neyer is an idiot

    look at his columns headlining espn's mlb section right now. he's attempting to list every franchise's all time team, but all he's succeding in doing is making himself look like an idiot.
    i'm not even going to get into the Joe D vs the Mick argument, but he gives the starting catcher's job to Yogi without even mentioning Bill Dickey. Dickey has a higher career batting average, obp and slg, even when you adjust for the different era's that they played in. also, by Yogi's own admission, Dickey was a much better defensive catcher and game caller than he was. despite this dickey doesn't even get mentioned.

    we got off lightly though, Neyer also failed to even mention TWO OF THE THREE MOST DOMINANT PITCHERS OF ALL TIME. lefty grove? not mentioned for either the A's or sox, despite 300 wins, a .680 career WP% and back to back triple crowns, limiting the batters he faced to a .220 average against him in 2 years when the league averaged a .300 average. he halso failed to mention Walter Johnson, only the 2nd winningest pitcher of all time, still in the top 10 career K's despite playing in the deadball era.

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    and Mark McGwire over Jimmie Foxx for the A's 1B, come on!!
    "We understand that John Henry must be embarrassed, frustrated and disappointed by his failure in this transaction. Unlike the Yankees, he chose not to go the extra distance for his fans in Boston. It is understandable, but wrong that he would try to deflect the accountability for his mistakes on to others and to a system for which he voted in favor. It is time to get on with life and forget the sour grapes."

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    at least Foxx got mentioned for the redsux. Grove was completely ignored.

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    I still can't believe it ... Foxx had some MONSTER years for the A's
    "We understand that John Henry must be embarrassed, frustrated and disappointed by his failure in this transaction. Unlike the Yankees, he chose not to go the extra distance for his fans in Boston. It is understandable, but wrong that he would try to deflect the accountability for his mistakes on to others and to a system for which he voted in favor. It is time to get on with life and forget the sour grapes."

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    Rob Neyer's not an Idiot

    Things make more sense when you read Neyer's book (I flipped through it for a while in a bookstore), which has the lineups plus a lot more (my favorite are the near stream-of-consciousness sidebar aticles):

    Dickey was a great catcher, but Yogi was better. Dickey makes the Second All-Time Team, the "B" Team.

    The Athletics team on the website is for the OAKLAND Athletics. That is why Foxx isn't on there or Grove or Cochrane or whoever. In the book, Neyer has different lists for the New York Giants, the Philadelphia Athletics, etcetera.

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    Re: Rob Neyer's not an Idiot

    Originally posted by C. Bellinger


    The Athletics team on the website is for the OAKLAND Athletics. That is why Foxx isn't on there or Grove or Cochrane or whoever
    A ha, that make MUCH more sense...
    "We understand that John Henry must be embarrassed, frustrated and disappointed by his failure in this transaction. Unlike the Yankees, he chose not to go the extra distance for his fans in Boston. It is understandable, but wrong that he would try to deflect the accountability for his mistakes on to others and to a system for which he voted in favor. It is time to get on with life and forget the sour grapes."

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    So You Don't Have To Buy the Book...

    Here's the Yankee Lists Neyer puts out

    ALL-TIME TEAM
    DH: Don Baylor
    C: Yogi
    1B: Gehrig
    2B: Tony Lazzeri
    SS: Jeter
    3B: Nettles
    LF: Charlie Keller
    CF: Mickey
    RF: The Babe * (asterisk indicates best player)

    Pitching Staff
    Whitey Ford
    Red Ruffing
    Ron Guidry
    Lefty Gomez
    CP: Mariano Rivera

    ALL-TIME "B" TEAM
    DH: Tartabull
    C: Dickey
    1B: Donnie Baseball
    2B: Willie Randolph
    SS: Phil Rizzuto (the Yankees infield is remarkably easy to pick)
    3B: Red Rolfe
    LF: Roy White
    CF: DiMaggio *
    RF: Reggie

    Pitching Stafff
    Allie Reynolds
    Eddie Lopat
    Bob Shawkey
    Mel Stottlemyre
    CP: Goose Gossage

    SINGLE SEASON TEAM
    DH: 83 Baylor
    C: 54 Yogi
    1B: 27 Gehrig
    2B: 42 Gordon (hmm...)
    SS: 50 Rizzuto (I guess)
    3B: 39 Rolfe
    LF: 21 Ruth (easy) *
    CF: 56 Mantle (easy)
    RF: 20 Ruth
    P: 04 Jack Chesbro (easy if esoteric)
    CP: 49 Joe Page (in context yes)

    ALL-ROOKIE TEAM
    DH: 90 Kevin Maas
    C: 70 Munson
    1B: 25 Gehrig
    2B: 26 Lazzeri
    SS: 62 Tom Tresh
    3B: 43 Billy Johnson
    LF: 36 DiMaggio *
    CF: 25 Earle Combs
    RF: 20 Meusel
    P: 10 Russ Ford (interesting pick, but good one instead of the tempting 50 Whitey)
    RP: 27 Wilcy Moore

    ALL HOMEGROWN TEAM
    DH: Ron Blomberg (first DH)
    C: Yogi
    1B: Gehrig
    2B: Joe Gordon
    SS: Jeter
    3B: Rolfe
    LF: Roy White
    CF: Mick *
    RF: Keller
    SP: Whitey Ford
    RP: Mariano Rivera

    ALL TRADED TEAM (no Jay Buhner, by the way)
    DH: Cliff Johnson for Don Hood
    C: Muddy Ruel (and Del Pratt) for Waite Hoyt and Wally Schang (ha ha ha, what a steal!)
    1B: Fred McGriff (and Dave Collins, Mike Morgan, and cash) for Tom Dodd and Dale Murray (yikes) *
    2B: Jerry Lumpe
    SS: Greg Gagne (and others) for Roy Smalley
    3B: Mike Lowell (of course)
    LF: Lefty O'Doul
    CF: Willie McGee (for Bob Sykes, ouch)
    RF: Jackie Jensen
    SP: Lew Burdette (with cash for Johnny Sain, ouch)
    RP: Tippy Martinez (as part of deal that included Rick Dempsey and Scott McGregor)

    GOLD GLOVE TEAM
    C: Dickey
    1B: Tino Martinez
    2B: Joe Gordon
    SS: Rizzuto
    3B: Clete Boyer *
    LF: Roy White
    CF: DiMaggio
    RF: Paul O'Neill
    P: Bobby Shantz

    IRON GLOVE TEAM (bad defense)
    C: Matt Nokes
    1B: Ron Blomberg
    2B: Chuck Knoblauch (ha ha ha)
    SS: Tom Tresh
    3B: Ben Chapman
    LF: Chuck Knoblauch *
    CF: Joe Pepitone
    RF: old Babe Ruth
    P: Rudy May

    ALL-BUST TEAM
    DH: Ken Phelps (Jay Buhner deal)
    C: Jake Gibbs
    1B: Johnny Sturm
    2B: Earle Gardner
    SS: Rafael Santana
    3B: Rich McKinney
    LF: Steve Kemp *
    CF: Bill Robinson
    RF: Curt Blefary
    SP: Brien Taylor
    RP: Wilcy Moore

    USED-TO-BE-GREAT TEAM
    DH: Darryl Strawberry
    C: Wilbert Robinson (actually an Oriole)
    1B: John Mayberry
    2B: Sandy Alomar
    SS: Bert Campaneris
    3B: Wade Boggs *
    LF: Enos Slaughter
    CF: Claudell Washington
    RF: Ken Griffey Jr.
    SP: Gaylord Perry
    CP: Jim Konstanty

    ALL-NAME TEAM
    Manager: "The Old Professor" Casey
    DH: Mike "The Hit Man" Easler
    C: "Yogi"
    1B: "Iron Horse"
    2B: "Poosh 'em Up" Lazzeri
    SS: "Scooter"
    3B: "Jumping Joe" Dugan
    LF: "Twinkletoes" Selkirk (over King Kong?)
    CF: "Yankee Clipper"
    RF: "Mr. October"
    SP: "Louisiana Lightning"
    RP: "Grandma" Johnny Murphy

    TOP FIVE SEASONS
    1. 1998
    2. 1927
    3. 1939
    4. 1923
    5. 1937

    TOP MANAGERS
    1. Casey Stengel
    2. Joe McCarthy
    3. Miller Huggins
    4. Joe Torre
    5. Billy Martin

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    How do you leave Mattingly off the Gold Glove team?
    "We understand that John Henry must be embarrassed, frustrated and disappointed by his failure in this transaction. Unlike the Yankees, he chose not to go the extra distance for his fans in Boston. It is understandable, but wrong that he would try to deflect the accountability for his mistakes on to others and to a system for which he voted in favor. It is time to get on with life and forget the sour grapes."

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    Neyer's Explanation (and I kinda agree)

    Why Tino over Donnie?

    "A big upset over Mattingly, but Tino's numbers are so much better that I just couldn't go with the safe pick."

    *BTW, Neyer enjoys not picking the safe pick. Lou Boudreau is the Tribe's Gold Glove Shortstop, not Omar. It's Trot Nixon, not Dwight Evans for the BoSox's Gold Glove Right Fielder. It's Phil Niekro, not Greg Maddux for Atlanta Brave's Gold Glove Pitcher (methinks Neyer takes into account pickoff moves too much for the Gold Glove).

    Thankfully, he doesn't pull a McCarver and put Scott Rolen over Mike Schmidt (and in fact, Rolen doesn't make the Phillies' A or B team, although he had to compete with Schmidt AND Dick Allen...).

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