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    Losing record with Sub-3.00 ERA

    Watching the Yankees struggle to score whenever Lilly pitches this year, got me to thinking. How many truly hard-luck pitchers can you think of who played for the Yankees?

    I think of the season Melido Perez had in '92. (I had to look up the year...)

    In 33 starts: 13-16, 2.87, 247.7 IP, 218 K, 93 BB

    Who else had a losing record with an ERA below 3.00?

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    Steve Kline, 1971
    ERA: 2,96 12W, 13L

    Mel Stottlemyre was 15-15 in 67 with an 1,96 ERA

    Jim Bouton 1966
    ERA 2,69 3W 8L (he also played as a reliver for a few games)

    Bob Shawkey 1917
    ERA 2,44 13W 15L

    George Mogridge 1917
    ERA 2,98 9W 11L

    Ray Fisher 1917
    ERA 2,19 8W 9L

    George Modrige again 1916
    ERA 2,31 6W 12L

    Ray Caldwell 1916
    ERA 2,99 5W 12L

    Ray Fisher 1914
    ERA 2,28 10W 12L

    Ray KEating 1914
    ERA 2,96 7W 11L

    Also... (I'm too lazy know to write down all the stats )
    1914: Marty McHale, Jack Warhop
    1912: Jack Warhop, George McConnell
    1909: Jack Warhop, Tom Hughes
    1909: Rube Manning, Jack Chesbro, Dow Newton
    1903: Barney Wolfe

    That's about 20 times, but some of the players also started some games as relievers. Nowawdays, with the many runs scored every game, a sub-3,00 ERA should guarantee you a winning-season...

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    Wow! Thanks for all the research.

    So ONCE in 30 years -- Perez.

    I hope Lilly doesn't make it twice.

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    Originally posted by Big_E
    Wow! Thanks for all the research.

    So ONCE in 30 years -- Perez.

    I hope Lilly doesn't make it twice.
    Yea, doesn't happen often.... I'd like to know about other teams, but I don't feel like looking up every player for every team
    Lilly and Lilly . But I really doubt he'll he able to have a sub-3,00 ERA by the end of the season (as long as he keeps on playing)

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    Walter Johnson of the old Washing Senators had four losing seasons with an ERA below 3.00 and two of those were below 2.00


    I'm not worried about Lilly, as long as he continues to pitch well and perfects his craft, the wins will come.

    Andy

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    In 1987, Nolan Ryan was 8-16, 2.76. He led the NL with 270 Ks, and his ERA was the lowest in the league as well.

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    Andy, correction, Walter Johnson had three losing seasons w/sub-3.00 ERA and one tied season w/sub-3.00 ERA:

    1907 / 5-9 / 1.88
    1908 / 14-14 / 1.65 (tied)
    1909 / 13-25 / 2.22
    1922 / 15-16 / 2.99

    He had a few other losing seasons, but those were the only sub-3.00 ERA ones. BTW, his banner year was 1913 when he won the Triple Crown and just about everything else.

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    Tim Keefe had a 0.86 ERA in 12 games started and his record was 6-6!

    BTW, Keefe's ERA is the single season record! Of course this was in 1880 when baseball was really weird....really weird.

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    ERA is really a misleading statistic. It does not account for "unearned runs" which can also lead to a loss.

    Also, it can sometimes not account for runs blown by that another pitcher is "responsible for".

    Never like that stat.

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