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    Re: 2013/14 New York Yankee Off-Season Thread

    Garza is prob plan B to tanaka
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    Re: 2013/14 New York Yankee Off-Season Thread

    We need more than one starter......but I hear you.
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    We need more than one starter......but I hear you.
    I can see them bringing back Kuroda for a year as an appealing option to ownership.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Barto View Post
    Sad to see granderson go but there are better options than him out there that can fit better into this lineup, and now we get a sandwich pick.
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    I think that's what we all expected... no?
    Yeah. We all expected this, except the FO who had to think about it and worry if he didnt reject it. In other news, the earth rotates around the sun, but i think the FO needs to think about that as well...

    #sarcasm

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Barto View Post
    Sad to see granderson go but there are better options than him out there that can fit better into this lineup, and now we get a sandwich pick. As for Kuroda, I don't want to take the risk of him breaking down when we need him the most. Tanaka can take his place and as long as we get someone better than Hughes (that shouldn't be too hard to do) the rotation will look good. If we can get tanaka, Pineda works out, and get a relatively young back end starter our rotation will look a lot younger and better than this year. The offense too
    Translation:
    If we get better players, everyone pitches better, hits better, and stays healthy, we will be in contention

    ^_^

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    Please stop with the hashtags

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    Re: 2013/14 New York Yankee Off-Season Thread

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    Who were you thinking of?
    I can see them signing choo or Ellsbury instead, Beltran is already 37 and wants a 3/4 year contract.

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    Re: 2013/14 New York Yankee Off-Season Thread

    Granderson + 1st round draft pick > Beltran

    Of course they had no interest in Beltran when he wanted to come here in his prime - now that he's 36 with shot knees, Cashman is drooling at the possibility. Unreal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Barto View Post
    I can see them signing choo or Ellsbury instead, Beltran is already 37 and wants a 3/4 year contract.
    Choo (and his OBP) are exactly what the Yankees need, which is why they'll end up with Beltran instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Barto View Post
    I can see them signing choo or Ellsbury instead, Beltran is already 37 and wants a 3/4 year contract.
    So they'd get a sandwich pick for Granderson but give up their regular first-round pick - #18 - for signing Choo or Ellsbury.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    So they'd get a sandwich pick for Granderson but give up their regular first-round pick - #18 - for signing Choo or Ellsbury.
    Yeah...

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    Re: 2013/14 New York Yankee Off-Season Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by El Barto View Post
    Sad to see granderson go but there are better options than him out there that can fit better into this lineup, and now we get a sandwich pick. As for Kuroda, I don't want to take the risk of him breaking down when we need him the most. Tanaka can take his place and as long as we get someone better than Hughes (that shouldn't be too hard to do) the rotation will look good. If we can get tanaka, Pineda works out, and get a relatively young back end starter our rotation will look a lot younger and better than this year. The offense too
    Who are the better options you're talking about? Do they require draft pick compensation to sign? Personally I'd rather they give up the opportunity cost of a sandwich pick and keep Granderson (assuming reasonable short term deal) then give up their first rounder (highest they've had in ages and hopefully for a long time) unless it's a massive upgrade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by False1 View Post
    Who are the better options you're talking about? Do they require draft pick compensation to sign? Personally I'd rather they give up the opportunity cost of a sandwich pick and keep Granderson (assuming reasonable short term deal) then give up their first rounder (highest they've had in ages and hopefully for a long time) unless it's a massive upgrade.
    If you're going to give up your first for anyone in this FA class I'd do it for McCann. A 29 year old (turns 30 in Feb) top 5 catcher won't hit the market in a LONG time. Its almost the equivalent to signing a 30 year old Posada (not quite the bat, but much better defense). Also the difference between the #18 pick and a sandwich pick while on the surface seems fairly significant it may have relatively no impact on the quality of player they get with the pick. I mean its not like its a top 5 pick where you know you're getting an elite level talent. Plus you're also assuming that the Yankees will take the right guy at #18 which given their recent history is not a bet I'd be willing to take.

    That said the Yankees have so many needs this offseason and their minor league system is so bad that I wouldn't mind them spreading the wealth around on some guys that could bounce back this year and provide could value for the $ and possibly even net the team a compensation pick in the future. So guys like Johnny Peralta, Mike Morse, Corey Hart, Josh Johnson, and Scott Kazmir are all guys that figure to sign for likely no more than 2 year deals. Anyone one of them could easily bounce back and be a candidate for a QO when their new contract expires. Then there's also guys like Carlos Ruiz, Omar Infante, David Murphy, Bartolo Colon, Eric Chavez, and others that likely won't ever earn a qualifying offer in the future, but could provide very good production for the money spent on them.

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    Re: 2013/14 New York Yankee Off-Season Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by False1 View Post
    Who are the better options you're talking about? Do they require draft pick compensation to sign? Personally I'd rather they give up the opportunity cost of a sandwich pick and keep Granderson (assuming reasonable short term deal) then give up their first rounder (highest they've had in ages and hopefully for a long time) unless it's a massive upgrade.
    I'd agree with that. I don't see a massive upgrade out there over there to Grandy, except if you are talking Ellsbury.

    A dream scenario to me would be Cano, Tanaka, Garza, Granderson - but I don't think it will shake out that way. Sign a lesser piece for 3B and fake it again at C. They'll probably waste the #18 pick on someone like Drew though

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    Re: 2013/14 New York Yankee Off-Season Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Vazquez View Post
    I'd agree with that. I don't see a massive upgrade out there over there to Grandy, except if you are talking Ellsbury.

    A dream scenario to me would be Cano, Tanaka, Garza, Granderson - but I don't think it will shake out that way. Sign a lesser piece for 3B and fake it again at C. They'll probably waste the #18 pick on someone like Drew though
    Would Choo be an upgrade over Granderson? I don't know, but I think his game might be a better fit for what this lineup needs moving forward.
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    Re: 2013/14 New York Yankee Off-Season Thread

    Cards might decline tender on freese, meaning he would become a free agent. Perfect for us with that right field power.

    Would garza cost us a pick? If not that might be an interesting pickup

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    Quote Originally Posted by apalradio View Post
    Would Choo be an upgrade over Granderson? I don't know, but I think his game might be a better fit for what this lineup needs moving forward.
    I think he'd definitely be an upgrade. The question will be if he's worth the pick plus the cost as his deal will exceed Granderson's and probably by more than a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Barto View Post
    Cards might decline tender on freese, meaning he would become a free agent. Perfect for us with that right field power.

    Would garza cost us a pick? If not that might be an interesting pickup
    Since he was traded late in the season Garza is ineligable for a QO so he would not cost a pick. He won't come cheap though. I hope they make a run at him if the bidding doesn't get crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vazquez View Post
    I'd agree with that. I don't see a massive upgrade out there over there to Grandy, except if you are talking Ellsbury.
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    Shin-Soo Choo.
    I'm not sure what the difference in $ will end up being, but if we are just going on asking prices - I dunno if Choo minus the #18 pick minus the extra $40-50MM is better than just signing Granderson.

    Check out wOBA comparison for Choo vs. Granderson over their careers. Yes, Granderson the past two seasons has had a lower than expected wOBA, but injuries have certainly had an impact.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/graphframe....yers=4747,3174

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vazquez View Post
    I'm not sure what the difference in $ will end up being, but if we are just going on asking prices - I dunno if Choo minus the #18 pick minus the extra $40-50MM is better than just signing Granderson.

    Check out wOBA comparison for Choo vs. Granderson over their careers. Yes, Granderson the past two seasons has had a lower than expected wOBA, but injuries have certainly had an impact.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/graphframe....yers=4747,3174
    The draft pick is marginal. It's Choo and a pick somewhere in the 20s or 30s vs Granderson and the 18th. Choo will get more money, but that's about the only downside.

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    Re: 2013/14 New York Yankee Off-Season Thread

    I am not crazy about Choo. Dont like his home/road splits and he also cant do anything against lefties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dabomb2045 View Post
    I am not crazy about Choo. Dont like his home/road splits and he also cant do anything against lefties.
    You can find a right hander to share his duties. Decent player for the right price...would mash in our stadium.

    Personally, I would love it if we didn't chase after the old guys.
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    Re: 2013/14 New York Yankee Off-Season Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by dabomb2045 View Post
    I am not crazy about Choo. Dont like his home/road splits and he also cant do anything against lefties.
    Grandy's not much better against lefties either. But Choo's OBP dwarfs that of Granderson. With the way he works pitchers and his uncanny ability to get on base, plus a little bit of pop in his bat and some speed, I think he'd improve the top of this lineup significantly. As for hitting lhp, there's eight other guys in the batting order. I would hope there'd be somebody who can do the job.
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