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11-06-13 01:10 PM #701
Re: 2013/14 New York Yankee Off-Season Thread
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11-06-13 01:15 PM #702
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11-06-13 04:20 PM #703
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The "sign Cano at any cost" people can spin Pedroia's deal any way they want but if you think that any prospective suitor is not going to use that contract as a framework for a negotiation with Cano then that's crazy. The starting point isn't going to be some figure that Jay-Z pulls out of his ass. Agree or not (and I don't) a lot of people in the game think that Pedroia is a superior player and there ain't a team in baseball (other than the one we root for) that is going even think about paying Cano $25 mil a year for the next 8 years.
The people here that want to just give Cano whatever he wants are always quick to come up with various teams that will "definitely" be willing to shell out megabucks to Cano but it's all just speculation to justify a Yankee overpay for their binky. His options are limited.
Regardless of how this ends up I hope Robbie actually does hit the open market so we can actually see what teams are willing to offer as opposed to the Yankees outbidding themselves once again.DFA Gigi Buffon.
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11-06-13 04:22 PM #704
Re: 2013/14 New York Yankee Off-Season Thread
The Yankees reportedly have interest in Grant Balfour along with the Tigers, Rockies, Angels, and Rays.
http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article...ms-4959222.php
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11-06-13 04:33 PM #705
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11-06-13 04:35 PM #706
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11-06-13 05:37 PM #707
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I actually think the exact opposite effect could take place. Because of the flood of money, teams can take a chance to sign young talent earlier, hoping that more of these contracts pan out than don't.
Consider the implication from the player's perspective. You have the choice of accepting a GUARANTEED contract that buys out your arbitration years and beyond as opposed to the risk of injury or failure. Which choice would you make?
Give me the guaranteed contract anytime. I'll bank the money, then take my chances if I reach free agency a year or two later than if I went all the way through arbitration to reach free agency.Forgive me for taking the Contrarian view
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11-06-13 05:44 PM #708
Re: 2013/14 New York Yankee Off-Season Thread
Balfour and that korean closer would be swell for the 7th and 8th innings next year...
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11-06-13 05:48 PM #709
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I find it hard to believe that Balfour won't get a multiple year contract, even at age 36 to start the 2014 season.
Durable (averaged 67 appearances a year for Oakland), 38 of 41 in save opportunities last year, 2.59 ERA.
If he can be had on a one year contract, I would take him as long as he does not block Robertson, but is insurance.Forgive me for taking the Contrarian view
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11-06-13 06:29 PM #710
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simmer down. Where in my post did I say "sign him at any cost"? Where has anyone said that for that matter?
Let's say I'm significantly underpaid in my job today. I'm performing extremely well. At industry leading levels. Which scenario do you think is more likely to get me a 100% raise?
A). "Hey boss can I have a 100% raise to stay here?
B). "Hey boss one of your competitor's just offered me a massive raise. I'd like to consider staying, but will need you to match or exceed their offer. I need you to double my salary, and here's why that makes sense for me and the company. If not, I'll have to move on to the competition."
Clearly scenario B because of the risk of losing that industry leading talent. Pedroia was scenario A, and Cano is scenario B. if the Yankees had been smart/fortunate and Cano was amenable, scenario A would have played out a year or two ago.
To be fair, the Yankees were smart with the last extension for Cano and it paid off huge for them.
I think the fact that the Yankees already proactively offered him a reported 7/$165MM shoes that even they don't think Pedroia's 8/$110MM deal is the right baseline for Cano.
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11-06-13 07:24 PM #711
Re: 2013/14 New York Yankee Off-Season Thread
Put another way, I think Cano is a significantly better player than Pedroia (even though I respect the hell out of Pedroia and his game). AND, I think that by market standards, Pedroia's contract is significantly underpriced.
I do have an issue in general with giving out mega contracts, and I think 7/$165mm was a very fair and credible starting point, but Cano is going to get over $200mm. The sport has cash oozing out of its pores right now, Cano is a probable HOF'er, he's an offensive force playing a middle infield position (and playing it very well) and it's a shallow free agent class. While it would be a stretch to say everything is lining up for him (given that the Dodgers and Red Sox have no interest/capacity for him), generally it's all in his favor.
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11-06-13 07:41 PM #712
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I get the feeling you're associating the "sign at any cost" folks with those who want him signed for anything over than 150M and less than 200. Which would kinda make your assumption quite silly.
Agree or not (and I don't) a lot of people in the game think that Pedroia is a superior player and there ain't a team in baseball (other than the one we root for) that is going even think about paying Cano $25 mil a year for the next 8 years.
The people here that want to just give Cano whatever he wants are always quick to come up with various teams that will "definitely" be willing to shell out megabucks to Cano but it's all just speculation to justify a Yankee overpay for their binky. His options are limited.
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11-07-13 10:52 AM #713
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I am with you Tek....but think that the timing is great for the Yanks. They absolutely should have extended Robbie a couple of years ago, but there are several big money teams that will have little or no interest, and of course some will pop up, I don't see the "Oh no, Sox, Dodgers, Angels" type teams really driving this to the point that the Yanks are in a world of hurt. Could happen, but nothing more than murmurs.
Goin for 2<strike>7</strike>8!
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11-07-13 10:55 AM #714
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I'm wondering....
Even though the league is flush with cash from all the TV money coming about and teams that are spending like drunken sailors, does anyone think someone is going to give Cano a 10 year deal?
I just don't see it."Leave it to Yankees fans to be upset at having too many great players.”—Hitman23
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11-07-13 11:03 AM #715
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11-07-13 11:07 AM #716
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"Welcome to NYYFans, the place where Yankees fans come together to complain about the manner in which our team is winning games" -- Mr. Coffee
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11-07-13 11:10 AM #717
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Agreed. As someone mentioned earlier in the thread, the 7/161 extension he rejected is where the bidding will begin. If that wasn't good enough to get him to stay with his current team, I don't see why he would sign an inferior contract to play for a new team.
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11-07-13 11:20 AM #718
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11-07-13 11:24 AM #719
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"Welcome to NYYFans, the place where Yankees fans come together to complain about the manner in which our team is winning games" -- Mr. Coffee
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11-07-13 12:46 PM #720
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The Orioles could easily be players for him. Remember, they were in on Tex and that was when they were terrible. Can't count the Tigers out either, with Illitch being the richest owner in the sport and all.
Plenty of dark horse teams out there. As someone already mentioned, there's just money waiting to be spent in this game nowadays.
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11-07-13 12:48 PM #721
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11-07-13 01:03 PM #722
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11-07-13 01:08 PM #723
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11-07-13 01:50 PM #725
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