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    Quote Originally Posted by effdamets View Post
    The Yankees need to part ways with Trost and Levine..... in my opinion.
    I beleive they are making baseball decsions dealing with personell and they should not be doing so.
    There was noise that they were behind the Ichiro 2 year deal- doesn't seem like a Cashman type of move
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    There was noise that they were behind the Ichiro 2 year deal- doesn't seem like a Cashman type of move
    Wouldn't surprise me.
    They're all about the revenue streams and they must've thought the Japanese stream needed a boost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by effdamets View Post
    Wouldn't surprise me.
    They're all about the revenue streams and they must've thought the Japanese stream needed a boost.
    I dislike Levine and Trost - and I cannot explain why.
    The sooner they are gone from the Yankees, the better.

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    but, other than ichiro, who were they gonna get? the 189 cap seemed at the time to be very imposing.

    at this stage ichiro probably isn't a full time of player, though there's still potential for a rebound. the nonmove of getting a big of piece is making the ichiro move look bad, but that's not a necessary connection. you could get ichiro and someone else, though ichiro's contract is oversized for what he is.
    always reasonable

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    Re: Hal's bad judgement thread

    Quote Originally Posted by effdamets View Post
    The Yankees need to part ways with Trost and Levine..... in my opinion.
    I beleive they are making baseball decsions dealing with personell and they should not be doing so.
    It doesn't take a genius to realize both Lonn Trost and Randy Levine have hurt the organization more than they have helped it. If Hal chooses to keep one or both remaining in his employ as they continue to alienate paying customers that's his own fault.

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    It doesn't take a genius to realize both Lonn Trost and Randy Levine have hurt the organization more than they have helped it. If Hal chooses to keep one or both remaining in his employ as they continue to alienate paying customers that's his own fault.
    Levine played a key part in the new stadium deal that was very favorable to the Yanks ( and screwed the city ). On the money side he's a valuable asset. The problem is when he starts making baseball decisions. Hal has made it clear w/ the push to $189M where his priorities are. He's putting the bottom line ahead of winning and team construction and maintaining the Yankee brand

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    Re: Hal's bad judgement thread

    Quote Originally Posted by ieddyi View Post
    Levine played a key part in the new stadium deal that was very favorable to the Yanks ( and screwed the city ). On the money side he's a valuable asset. The problem is when he starts making baseball decisions. Hal has made it clear w/ the push to $189M where his priorities are. He's putting the bottom line ahead of winning and team construction and maintaining the Yankee brand

    The empty seats tell the story
    I have to imagine that last part also has an impact on his contributions to the bottom line. Now that the deal is done with the city, I question whether he has any more value to add to this team.
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    Re: Hal's bad judgement thread

    Quote Originally Posted by ieddyi View Post
    Levine played a key part in the new stadium deal that was very favorable to the Yanks ( and screwed the city ). On the money side he's a valuable asset. The problem is when he starts making baseball decisions. Hal has made it clear w/ the push to $189M where his priorities are. He's putting the bottom line ahead of winning and team construction and maintaining the Yankee brand

    The empty seats tell the story
    A fair comment, but a contributing reason to the Yankees' significant decline in attendance is a lackluster new ballpark.

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    I have to imagine that last part also has an impact on his contributions to the bottom line. Now that the deal is done with the city, I question whether he has any more value to add to this team.
    No argument there. He's like the new incarnation of the "Tampa mafia" that had Georges ear. I wasn't touting him ( think he's a snake ) just pointing out that unlike the Tampa group, in some way he was actually useful.
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    A fair comment, but a contributing reason to the Yankees' significant decline in attendance is a lackluster new ballpark.
    I've wondered about that. It was really surprising to me when I saw empty seats for the playoffs last year. Kinda makes it hard to blame the drop this year on the injuries and lowered expectations

    The conventional wisdom is a new stadium creates buzz and higher attendance. I've lived outside the city for ages and have only been to the new stadium once. I'm a big fan of tradition, but didn't miss the inconveniences and less than stellar condition of the old stadium at all.

    It's clear from watching on TV that there's less buzz as well. For those that have been there often- what do you think are the major factors? Ticket price ( affecting the type of fan attending ), the economy etc?

    They were in a hard spot- a complete redo would have been extremely risky. Should they have done a Fenway type piecemeal renovation?
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    I really think it's just big screen TVs and broadcast technology making the viewing experience at bars, even at homes, much better than it used to be.

    It's really at the point we get to see the game better on TV than in person.

    PS: Trost and Levine are just doing their jobs. The Ichiro contract isn't even that bad anyway in a world where Jonny Gomez gets 10/2.

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    I really think it's just big screen TVs and broadcast technology making the viewing experience at bars, even at homes, much better than it used to be.

    It's really at the point we get to see the game better on TV than in person.

    PS: Trost and Levine are just doing their jobs. The Ichiro contract isn't even that bad anyway in a world where Jonny Gomez gets 10/2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grizy View Post
    I really think it's just big screen TVs and broadcast technology making the viewing experience at bars, even at homes, much better than it used to be.

    It's really at the point we get to see the game better on TV than in person.

    PS: Trost and Levine are just doing their jobs. The Ichiro contract isn't even that bad anyway in a world where Jonny Gomez gets 10/2.
    For me, the inconvenience of going to a game just isn't worth it anymore. It has nothing to do with the new stadium.
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    Yeah. I like a lot of this post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grizy View Post
    I really think it's just big screen TVs and broadcast technology making the viewing experience at bars, even at homes, much better than it used to be.

    It's really at the point we get to see the game better on TV than in person.

    PS: Trost and Levine are just doing their jobs. The Ichiro contract isn't even that bad anyway in a world where Jonny Gomez gets 10/2.
    Yes, but I think that's been true for a while- probably since instant replay was invented. The flip side is the pluses of being at the game. Being able to see the whole field at the same time- seeing how the players work as a unit- your vision isn't limited to the pitcher/batter . Being with the crowd- I still remember the roar from the first game I went to ( Mantle HR )- I got goosebumps

    You've got a point , but I don't think it explains entirely what's going on specifically with the Yanks
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    Re: Hal's bad judgement thread

    grizy,

    Good post, but I respectfully say Trost needs to rethink his approach if his model is alienating the fanbase to the point where the team is losing revenue it otherwise would make.

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    Re: Hal's bad judgement thread

    Quote Originally Posted by ieddyi View Post
    Yes, but I think that's been true for a while- probably since instant replay was invented. The flip side is the pluses of being at the game. Being able to see the whole field at the same time- seeing how the players work as a unit- your vision isn't limited to the pitcher/batter . Being with the crowd- I still remember the roar from the first game I went to ( Mantle HR )- I got goosebumps

    You've got a point , but I don't think it explains entirely what's going on specifically with the Yanks
    This is true for me as well, but by all reports (including my own) the crowd is either much tamer or the acoustics of the new stadium make it feel that way - or both. In fact, maybe it's a compounding effect. If the experience at the stadium is mildly diminished while the home viewing experience is vastly improved, some will question the expenditure/inconvenience.

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    This is true for me as well, but by all reports (including my own) the crowd is either much tamer or the acoustics of the new stadium make it feel that way - or both. In fact, maybe it's a compounding effect. If the experience at the stadium is mildly diminished while the home viewing experience is vastly improved, some will question the expenditure/inconvenience.
    I watched one of the playoff games at Foley's pub on 33rd street last year and seriously think there was more juice in that place than there would have been at the Stadium.

    I realize that's a strange comparison, but the point is with tv's the way they are and with much of the core fan base feeling priced out, it's virtually at the point where some venues can even rival the stadium itself for intensity and loudness.

    Some things about the Stadium experience will never be replicated, but the differences increasingly aren't worth the cost/time/commitment of going much beyond a couple of times a year, imho.

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    I live in Dallas and it's a completely different atmosphere going to game. It's a casual thing friends and companies do. Everyone buys a $30 ticket and goes about their way. Food is great and reasonably priced for a ballpark.

    Mind you, the stadium is about 30 min from Dallas, proper with no mass transit and it's about 100 degrees for a 7pm game in the summer. It's fun and casual though. Everyone there is there to have a good time and/or a baseball fan. It makes going more fun.

    Yankee Stadium just isn't fun- and I was 3 rows behind the Yankee dugout. You're there alone or sitting next to two people who don't know crap about the sport and are sending emails the whole time.

    I'd rather watch the Yankees eating a hot dog 20 rows back in Ranger's stadium than sitting in the fancy seats at Yankee stadium with all I can eat steak and lobster.
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    I've only been to NYS once while seeing several Yankee games at Camden Yards in recent years. CY is more fun. There are enough Yankee fans to make it friendly territory and they tend to make more noise than you would expect. The rivalry with the O's fans has been friendly in the sections I have sat in and I feel like I am getting a decent value on the concessions. Plus I can drive right up and park for the same price as YS in the 90's.

    I'm not in a rush to go back to NYS. Sure, now the bathrooms are nicer. But I still liked the old place better.
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    I actually miss the old bathrooms.... There's something charming about open troughs and no dividing walls....added a lot more flavor to the games, IMHO
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    I actually miss the old bathrooms.... There's something charming about open troughs and no dividing walls....added a lot more flavor to the games, IMHO
    Having the guy next to you pee on you while he checks his cell phone is not very charming, but whatever.
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    Having the guy next to you pee on you while he checks his cell phone is not very charming, but whatever.
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    Yankee Stadium just isn't fun- and I was 3 rows behind the Yankee dugout. You're there alone or sitting next to two people who don't know crap about the sport and are sending emails the whole time.

    I'd rather watch the Yankees eating a hot dog 20 rows back in Ranger's stadium than sitting in the fancy seats at Yankee stadium with all I can eat steak and lobster.
    I don't get it. Because you went to one game and sat next to two people who didn't know crap about the game and spent the game emailing, you believe that's the experience throughout Yankee Stadium every single game? I will give you that the many corporate fans in the legends seats are fair-weathered fan, not diehard or there just to entertain. But, I think that applies to most ballparks.

    If I went to Rangers Ballpark and happened to sit next to a couple of cowboys who didn't know the inside fly rule from Levi's button fly jeans and kept screaming "Yahoo!!" throughout the game no matter the situation, would that define everyone's and the overall experience at Arlington?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ArodEra View Post
    I don't get it. Because you went to one game and sat next to two people who didn't know crap about the game and spent the game emailing, you believe that's the experience throughout Yankee Stadium every single game? I will give you that the many corporate fans in the legends seats are fair-weathered fan, not diehard or there just to entertain. But, I think that applies to most ballparks.

    If I went to Rangers Ballpark and happened to sit next to a couple of cowboys who didn't know the inside fly rule from Levi's button fly jeans and kept screaming "Yahoo!!" throughout the game no matter the situation, would that define everyone's and the overall experience at Arlington?
    I am not familiar with the inside fly rule - is that the rule where, if the fly ball is inside the fence, the fielder is allowed to catch the ball but if the ball is over the fence, the fan is allowed to catch the ball?
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