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    Re: 2013 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by JDPNYY View Post
    He'll pitch well next time out.
    Probably and that's the thing stopping Hughes from reaching his ceiling.

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    Re: 2013 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    he'll never be more than a 4-5 in the AL... but in the NL, he could be a solid 2 or even a 1 in some rotations
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    Re: 2013 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by flymick24 View Post
    he'll never be more than a 4-5 in the AL... but in the NL, he could be a solid 2 or even a 1 in some rotations
    Not sure he's capable of rising to that level even in the NL. He's just way too inconsistent and gets hit way too hard when he's off his game, which happens way too often.
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  4. #179

    Re: 2013 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Had absolutely nothing last night. Had good seats and it was obvious that he was flat from the get go. Not sure if YES picked it up, but the crowd let him have it pretty bad.

    The poster who said he's a below average pitcher is correct, if we are going to use ERA+ as an indicator. He hasn't been average or above average since 2010, and barely at that (103).

    His best season was when he went to the pen in 2009. Maybe that's where he's best suited.


  5. #180

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArodEra View Post
    Had absolutely nothing last night. Had good seats and it was obvious that he was flat from the get go. Not sure if YES picked it up, but the crowd let him have it pretty bad.

    The poster who said he's a below average pitcher is correct, if we are going to use ERA+ as an indicator. He hasn't been average or above average since 2010, and barely at that (103).

    His best season was when he went to the pen in 2009. Maybe that's where he's best suited.
    I think YES went to commercial when he was being taken out. They might have shown it after they came back but I'm not sure.

    They won't move him to then pen too much invested in him.
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    Re: 2013 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingofkings19 View Post
    I think YES went to commercial when he was being taken out. They might have shown it after they came back but I'm not sure.

    They won't move him to then pen to much invested in him.
    If they don't plan to re-sign him after this season. All those investment before was sunk cost. They just need to care if he's the better starter than Phelps, Pineda, etc. this year.

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    Goin for 2<strike>7</strike>8!

  8. #183

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    Quote Originally Posted by flymick24 View Post
    have fun in the NL
    the annoying thing is, he probably will

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    Quote Originally Posted by BennyTheJetRodriguez View Post
    the annoying thing is, he probably will
    He will be a stud in the NL! Just wait and see.
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  10. #185

    Re: 2013 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    If Pineda looks like he can come back fairly strong, and Nuno and Phelps continue to pitch well, should the Yankees explore dealing Hughes at the deadline, perhaps to an NL team in a big park (eg San Diego)? Would they be able to get anything of value in return?

  11. #186

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    Quote Originally Posted by bomber999 View Post
    If Pineda looks like he can come back fairly strong, and Nuno and Phelps continue to pitch well, should the Yankees explore dealing Hughes at the deadline, perhaps to an NL team in a big park (eg San Diego)? Would they be able to get anything of value in return?
    Have the Yankees committed publicly to putting Pineda straight into the rotation on his return or is it possible they'd want him to do his first half season back in the bullpen?

  12. #187

    Re: 2013 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Pineda put up 171IP with 3.74ERA, 9.1SO/9, 101 ERA+ last year.

    If he's not ready to start at MLB level, he's not ready for MLB duties period.

    We'll do 6 man rotation if needed, with the worst performing doing long man duty on his throwing days.

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    Re: 2013 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by bomber999 View Post
    If Pineda looks like he can come back fairly strong, and Nuno and Phelps continue to pitch well, should the Yankees explore dealing Hughes at the deadline, perhaps to an NL team in a big park (eg San Diego)? Would they be able to get anything of value in return?
    Maybe two years ago. Doubt they'll get much in return this go around.

  14. #189

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    Quote Originally Posted by grizy View Post
    Pineda put up 171IP with 3.74ERA, 9.1SO/9, 101 ERA+ last year.

    If he's not ready to start at MLB level, he's not ready for MLB duties period.

    We'll do 6 man rotation if needed, with the worst performing doing long man duty on his throwing days.
    That is pretty respectable for a rookie campaign.
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  15. #190

    Re: 2013 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by grizy View Post
    Pineda put up 171IP with 3.74ERA, 9.1SO/9, 101 ERA+ last year.

    If he's not ready to start at MLB level, he's not ready for MLB duties period.

    We'll do 6 man rotation if needed, with the worst performing doing long man duty on his throwing days.
    2 years ago.

    6-man rotations are barfworthy. Don't take my word for it, ask CC. If Pineda starts, demote demote the lesser performer between Hughes or Phelps. Hughes has done nothing to merit special consideration.

  16. #191

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapple View Post
    That is pretty respectable for a rookie campaign.
    Even moreso when you consider that the tail off in the 2nd 1/2 could have been because of shoulder problems that turned more serious in ST the next year

    I read an article that compared his start that year to what Harvey of the Mets is doing now
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    I believe it was Stingray on here that posted a very long list of Pineda's accomplishments for a rookie campaign, and he was anywhere from 1st-3rd in a lot of saber stats, including K/9. He feel short to people like Kerry Wood.
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    Re: 2013 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by ieddyi View Post
    Even moreso when you consider that the tail off in the 2nd 1/2 could have been because of shoulder problems that turned more serious in ST the next year

    I read an article that compared his start that year to what Harvey of the Mets is doing now
    Have you got a link to that article? My google-fu is failing me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Muhozi View Post
    Have you got a link to that article? My google-fu is failing me
    Here ya go:


    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_...4HMruyV8Wgv4zL
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    Re: 2013 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by snapple View Post
    That is pretty respectable for a rookie campaign.
    Respectable? It was actually pretty historic.

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    Re: 2013 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by ieddyi View Post
    Decent article by NYP standards. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teknetic View Post
    Respectable? It was actually pretty historic.
    Yeah, I've been trying to find the post that spells it all out. But, it's in one of the two clusterf*$k Pineda threads from last year.
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    Re: 2013 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    You were probably talking about this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Snatch Catch View Post
    Wow, you're more willing to rely on ERA+ than FIP, K/9, or even WHIP as an indicator of how good a rookie pitcher really is?

    Since 1901, here is where Pineda's season last year ranks among all rookie RHP 22 or younger who made at least 25 starts:

    K/BB: 4th
    K/9: 5th
    H/9: 7th
    WHIP: 5th


    Looking at the same criteria (RHP, 22 or younger as rookie, at least 25 GS), but focusing on just the DH Era (last 40 years) and the American League, here are the same rankings:

    K/BB: 1st
    K/9: 2nd
    H/9: 1st
    WHIP: 2nd


    There's really not any hyperbole at all in the statement I made.

    And we agree on one thing for sure: I just want him to get healthy and get out there to put that level of talent on display for my favortie team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by teknetic View Post
    You were probably talking about this:



    http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread...=1#post7483167
    I am, and I think he did another post, too. But, yeah, Pineda was pretty good in 2011.
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  25. #200

    Re: 2013 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by apalradio View Post
    Not sure he's capable of rising to that level even in the NL. He's just way too inconsistent and gets hit way too hard when he's off his game, which happens way too often.
    Hughes is a 4 or 5 pitcher in the AL or NL. Nothing wrong with that but look how easily an aging Kuroda went from the NL to the AL. Hope he turns it around soon.

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