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  1. #101

    Re: 2013 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Bub View Post
    He's always had a 3rd pitch but it's never been any good. The slider wouldn't always move enough and he couldn't control the change. If he can throw sliders consistently like he did today then that's his ticket to a great season. Problem is that when the slider doesn't slide it become a bleacher souvenir.
    i agree with u guys he needed 3rd pitch and the slider did wander for him

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    Re: 2013 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    In his last 3 starts he has pitched 20 innings with 21 Ks, 3 walks, 19 hits, 6 earned runs and a 2.70 era. Not too shabby.

  3. #103

    Re: 2013 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    There have been times in the past when he did have a 3rd pitch working- his cutter was great for a short while, his change when it's on is also a great pitch
    Remember it was the Yanks who had him stop using the slider when he was first drafted because of health concerns

    Somehow it feels like Phil really has matured. His velocity and location on the FB have been great

    I really just hope this good streak isn't another tease and that he has reached a new level
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  4. #104

    Re: 2013 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    The problem I have with Hughes is he always seems to get behind hitters too often which leads to high pitch counts. Or, he has trouble putting a hitter away with two strikes. He needs to develop a better put away pitch. Mix his changeup in more often. Use fastball/slider to get ahead of the hitters.

    Just please...never revert back to the cutter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrueYankee01 View Post
    The problem I have with Hughes is he always seems to get behind hitters too often which leads to high pitch counts. Or, he has trouble putting a hitter away with two strikes. He needs to develop a better put away pitch. Mix his changeup in more often. Use fastball/slider to get ahead of the hitters.

    Just please...never revert back to the cutter.
    He just had a 9 K game in 6 IP where he walked just 1 bater, intentionally. On the season he has a very respectable 8.3 K/9 and a downright awesome 5.0 K:BB ratio.

    Basically he's had one really crappy start against Baltimore where he was taken deep 3 times in just 3 innings. The only 3 long balls he's given up all year by the way.

    I guess there is just no pleasing some folks and they'll continue to let perception color reality.
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  6. #106

    Re: 2013 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Hughes does throw more pitches per PA than average, but not dramatically so.

    Pitches/PA:
    Hughes: 4.00
    Kuroda: 4.03
    Verlander: 4.02
    Kershaw: 4.07
    MLB average: ~3.8-3.9, depending on year.
    CC: 3.67 (this is one of the reasons he's so durable)

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    Re: 2013 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by grizy View Post
    Hughes does throw more pitches per PA than average, but not dramatically so.

    Pitches/PA:
    Hughes: 4.00
    Kuroda: 4.03
    Verlander: 4.02
    Kershaw: 4.07
    MLB average: ~3.8-3.9, depending on year.
    CC: 3.67 (this is one of the reasons he's so durable)
    Very interesting stats. Thanks! CC
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  8. #108

    Re: 2013 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by ieddyi View Post
    There have been times in the past when he did have a 3rd pitch working- his cutter was great for a short while, his change when it's on is also a great pitch
    Remember it was the Yanks who had him stop using the slider when he was first drafted because of health concerns

    Somehow it feels like Phil really has matured. His velocity and location on the FB have been great

    I really just hope this good streak isn't another tease and that he has reached a new level
    I thought Phil dropped the slider because he couldn't harness it and the curve at the same time. Could be wrong.


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    Re: 2013 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Bub View Post
    He's always had a 3rd pitch but it's never been any good. The slider wouldn't always move enough and he couldn't control the change. If he can throw sliders consistently like he did today then that's his ticket to a great season. Problem is that when the slider doesn't slide it become a bleacher souvenir.
    He's never used the slider as much as he has this year. He showed it every now and then, but that was it. Considering it was his best pitch in high school, there's actually reason to think it might be a useful pitch for him.

  10. #110

    Re: 2013 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    But this slider is not Hughes highschool slider. Its based off the cut fastball grip.

  11. #111

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    My guess is Rothschild just told Phil to grip the ball a further to the right of the seam to cut it so much it basically becomes a slider.

    This helps Hughes in two ways.

    1. when his fastballs are flat (not moving horizontally as much), his slider will have more differentiation both in terms of velocity and movement. Hughes' cutters were effective when his fastballs were. Problem was when his fastballs went flat... his cutters just looked like slightly slower fastballs.
    2. (I was rather suspicious of this but Hughes admitted as much) by moving the grip further to right, Hughes is no longer confusing his muscle memory. Now a fastball is a fastball and a slider is a slider.

  12. #112

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    I guess there is just no pleasing some folks and they'll continue to let perception color reality.
    Expectations were so high for him that now that he's settled into a pretty good No. 3 starter, it's not enough for some people...

  13. #113

    Re: 2013 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    In his last three starts he has a 2.70 ERA & a 1.10 WHIP. He's also struck out twenty-one batters during those three starts while only issuing three walks.

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    Re: 2013 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    It took him fifteen years, but this is the best he's looked as a major leaguer. I think.

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    Re: 2013 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Best he's looked since first two months of 2010. Long may it continue
    40 pitchers, ever, have an ERA+ of 130 or higher for their career. 15 have 140 or higher. 3 guys have 150 or higher - one is right at 150, the second place guy is at 154, and Mariano Rivera is at 205.

  16. #116

    Re: 2013 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    he's going to finally put it together now, when there's a fair chance it's his last season as a Yankee, isn't he?

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    Re: 2013 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    A few more months pitching like this and he'll wind up with an extension in the 6/75 range.

  18. #118

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    What a performance. He's a bad man.

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    Re: 2013 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    He's like a completely different pitcher than he was just a month ago.

  20. #120

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    93.3 on the 4-seamer today..only saw about 15 or so pitches of his but he looked good again.
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  21. #121

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    Quote Originally Posted by unfamous loser View Post
    he's going to finally put it together now, when there's a fair chance it's his last season as a Yankee, isn't he?
    No chance we let him leave if he truly looks like things have clicked. If you cant keep your own starters when you are the richest sports team on Earth, then its time to give up.
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  22. #122

    Re: 2013 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    if he puts up a good to great year, as the youngest pitcher of any worth on the FA market, he's going to get a really, really nice contract from someone.

    it likely comes down to how true the rumors are that they're going to let their $189M dreams fully go, especially given his HR/flyball tendencies and sketchy health history. if they don't say to hell with it, there's a pretty decent chance this is it for Phil as a Yankee, no matter what his season ends up being.

    Quote Originally Posted by MoVaughnEatsAlot View Post
    He's like a completely different pitcher than he was just a month ago.
    to be fair, his first two starts of this season probably shouldn't have happened.

    the Yankees rushed him after Nova sucking seemed to send them into a panic and, unsurprisingly, the results weren't positive.

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    Re: 2013 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Imagine a Yankees rotation with this Hughes (and a healthy Andy)

    I don't care who the 5th starter is/would be.
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    Re: 2013 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    He is .

  25. #125

    Re: 2013 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Whoa that was impressive

    Phil looking like someone who wants to get paid

    All the writers/bloggers were saying that if he took that next step that he has shown flashes of prior to this season, he could get an Anibal Sanchez contract. It'll be interesting to see if this continues and what kind of $$$ he will command.
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