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    Re: Ivan (Super) Nova 2013 Performance Thread

    Wow, no love for his second SHO this season?

    Certainly looking like we can pencil him in for a guaranteed spot next year.
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    Re: Ivan (Super) Nova 2013 Performance Thread

    Call me crazy, but I would sell high on him this winter... He's fooled us once before with a good half year
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    Re: Ivan (Super) Nova 2013 Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by flymick24 View Post
    Call me crazy, but I would sell high on him this winter... He's fooled us once before with a good half year
    Definitely, depending on the return. This is how the Rays stay young and competitive year in year out without spending money.

    This has been more than a good half year, though.
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    Re: Ivan (Super) Nova 2013 Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by flymick24 View Post
    Call me crazy, but I would sell high on him this winter... He's fooled us once before with a good half year
    You've got to love Yankee fans. They scream about not developing pitchers, but then want to trade a young pitcher when he has struggles developing consistency early in his career. You can't have it both ways. Part of developing pitchers is to allow them to experience and then overcome the rollercoaster part of their early development. It's not the norm for starting pitchers to not experience such inconsistencies.
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    Re: Ivan (Super) Nova 2013 Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by just-blaze View Post
    Wow, no love for his second SHO this season?

    Certainly looking like we can pencil him in for a guaranteed spot next year.
    At this point, he's the #2 starter on the 2014 Yankees. After that, they really don't have anybody who can be penciled in for sure.
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    Re: Ivan (Super) Nova 2013 Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankees1962 View Post
    You've got to love Yankee fans. They scream about not developing pitchers, but then want to trade a young pitcher when he has struggles developing consistency early in his career. You can't have it both ways. Part of developing pitchers is to allow them to experience and then overcome the rollercoaster part of their early development. It's not the norm for starting pitchers to not experience such inconsistencies.
    This is not a spoiled fan response, this is an attempt to get the team in a better position to compete in 2014... With a mandated salary cap and few tradeable resources, it would behoove them to at least consider the possibility of moving Nova, seeing as how SP will actually be a position of relative depth next year (emphasis on the word relative) if they can re-sign Kuroda, Pineda sees the light of day, and Banuelos finally arrives

    And considering how many holes they have to fill during the winter, including Nova in a package for multiple pieces might not be a bad idea
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    Re: Ivan (Super) Nova 2013 Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by flymick24 View Post
    This is not a spoiled fan response, this is an attempt to get the team in a better position to compete in 2014... With a mandated salary cap and few tradeable resources, it would behoove them to at least consider the possibility of moving Nova, seeing as how SP will actually be a position of relative depth next year (emphasis on the word relative) if they can re-sign Kuroda, Pineda sees the light of day, and Banuelos finally arrives

    And considering how many holes they have to fill during the winter, including Nova in a package for multiple pieces might not be a bad idea
    I don't see it that way as getting them better for 2014. Outside of CC, he's our #2 starter next year. All of the guys you mentioned are questionable right now either health-wise or Kuroda being a free agent that might return to Japan. Rebuilding the starting pitching is the first priority for the Yankees in 2014.
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    Re: Ivan (Super) Nova 2013 Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by flymick24 View Post
    This is not a spoiled fan response, this is an attempt to get the team in a better position to compete in 2014... With a mandated salary cap and few tradeable resources, it would behoove them to at least consider the possibility of moving Nova, seeing as how SP will actually be a position of relative depth next year (emphasis on the word relative) if they can re-sign Kuroda, Pineda sees the light of day, and Banuelos finally arrives

    And considering how many holes they have to fill during the winter, including Nova in a package for multiple pieces might not be a bad idea
    Banuelos is not pitching for the Yankees next year. We have very little starting pitching depth. Assuming Kuroda and Hughers are gone we have CC, Nova, Pineda and Phelps and will need 1-2 more starters. Nova is also arbitration eligible next year so the days of him being a cheap options will decrease each year.

    Nova is exactly the type of pitcher you do not trade.

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    Re: Ivan (Super) Nova 2013 Performance Thread

    he's starting to pitch like a decent #3 starter
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    Re: Ivan (Super) Nova 2013 Performance Thread

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    he's starting to pitch like a decent #3 starter
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    Re: Ivan (Super) Nova 2013 Performance Thread

    He needs to progress from being able to dominate bad or mediocre teams, but getting lit up by good teams.

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    Re: Ivan (Super) Nova 2013 Performance Thread

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    He needs to progress from being able to dominate bad or mediocre teams, but getting lit up by good teams.
    Tampa is a good team and they didn't lit him up.
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    Re: Ivan (Super) Nova 2013 Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by bomber999 View Post
    He needs to progress from being able to dominate bad or mediocre teams, but getting lit up by good teams.
    Before I get started, what is your definition of getting lit up?
    40 pitchers, ever, have an ERA+ of 130 or higher for their career. 15 have 140 or higher. 3 guys have 150 or higher - one is right at 150, the second place guy is at 154, and Mariano Rivera is at 205.

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    Re: Ivan (Super) Nova 2013 Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by bomber999 View Post
    He needs to progress from being able to dominate bad or mediocre teams, but getting lit up by good teams.
    He shut out the Orioles too.
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    Re: Ivan (Super) Nova 2013 Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Muhozi View Post
    Before I get started, what is your definition of getting lit up?
    What the Red Sox did to him.

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    Re: Ivan (Super) Nova 2013 Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by bomber999 View Post
    What the Red Sox did to him.
    You're talking about the Red Sox, the team with the best record in baseball. What pitcher haven't they lit up. If anything wasn't he struggling with a triceps issue vs Boston?

    Nova's been brilliant, you're talking about a player who pitched to a 2.70 ERA over 116.2 IP ever since he came back from injury in June. Nova's been fantastic and I'm looking forward to seeing how he does next season. Hopefully he can stay injury free.
    40 pitchers, ever, have an ERA+ of 130 or higher for their career. 15 have 140 or higher. 3 guys have 150 or higher - one is right at 150, the second place guy is at 154, and Mariano Rivera is at 205.

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    Re: Ivan (Super) Nova 2013 Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Muhozi View Post
    You're talking about the Red Sox, the team with the best record in baseball. What pitcher haven't they lit up. If anything wasn't he struggling with a triceps issue vs Boston?

    Nova's been brilliant, you're talking about a player who pitched to a 2.70 ERA over 116.2 IP ever since he came back from injury in June. Nova's been fantastic and I'm looking forward to seeing how he does next season. Hopefully he can stay injury free.

    I agree. And if CC can rebound just to 90% CC. Would be nice to pick up 1 very good pitcher, as insurance (Tanaka?). Then you have to believe that we get 2 decent pitchers from Pineda, et al.
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