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    Shields traded to KC

    As per Rosenthal:

    https://twitter.com/ken_rosenthal/st...82667985809408

    TB gets Wil Myers
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    Re: Shields traded to KC

    Wow, that's MUCH bigger than just Shields/Myers.

    Shields and Wade Davis, for Myers and prospects. It'll be interesting to see who those other prospects are that KC is adding to the pot.
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    Re: Shields traded to KC

    Huge trade. VERY intriguing...I know Myers is "can't miss"....he damn well better be for Tampa's sake.
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    Re: Shields traded to KC

    KC did very well for themselves in this deal.

    They definitely got a better haul than the Yanks did for Montero, although it remains to be seen what type of additional prospects KC is sending to TB.
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    Re: Shields traded to KC

    Quote Originally Posted by Zimmers' Helmet View Post
    KC did very well for themselves in this deal.

    They definitely got a better haul than the Yanks did for Montero, although it remains to be seen what type of additional prospects KC is sending to TB.
    Myers, Odorizzi, Montogmery, Leonard.

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    Re: Shields traded to KC

    Quote Originally Posted by BronxBombers92 View Post
    Myers, Odorizzi, Montogmery, Leonard.
    Holy isht...
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    Re: Shields traded to KC

    Quote Originally Posted by Zimmers' Helmet View Post
    KC did very well for themselves in this deal.

    They definitely got a better haul than the Yanks did for Montero, although it remains to be seen what type of additional prospects KC is sending to TB.
    We'll see.....I don't see KC competing immediately. If Myers plays to close to his projections, he just elevated the Rays, and the AL East big time. Ultimate blue chip thread to be a huge power hitting OF.

    I would not trade him for Shields, especially with one year left plus an option and Shields is done. KC needs to do something significant in the post-season.

    I actually would not trade Myers for anything less then maybe a top 5 pitcher in MLB.....
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    Re: Shields traded to KC

    Names are starting to come out:

    As per the KC Royals twitter feed:

    https://twitter.com/royals/status/277988514371629056

    @Royals: #Royals acquire RHPs James Shields, Wade Davis and player to be named or cash from Tampa Bay for Myers, Odorizzi, Montgomery and Leonard.

    Odorizzi was traded to KC in the Grienke trade. Seems like the best of the bunch. Montgomery has been hit hard in AA/AAA, while Leonard displayed some pop in the lower minors.

    Still a great deal for the Royals in picking up two established pitchers.
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    Re: Shields traded to KC

    Myers is the minor league player of the year and the #2 best position prospect behind Profar. This is a terrible, terrible trade for the Royals. That they included more is a travesty. Shields is overrated and Davis is either a reliever or a bad starter.

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    Re: Shields traded to KC

    Quote Originally Posted by BronxBombers92 View Post
    Myers, Odorizzi, Montogmery, Leonard.
    Let me amend my last post......

    KC got absolutely fleeced. They have great fans, deserve better....

    Agree with Neyer....

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    Re: Shields traded to KC

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerkface View Post
    Myers is the minor league player of the year and the #2 best position prospect behind Profar. This is a terrible, terrible trade for the Royals.
    But he's still a prospect. Montero was ranked #4 when the Yankees had him and it still remains to be seen whether he'll pan out.
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    Re: Shields traded to KC

    Quote Originally Posted by Zimmers' Helmet View Post
    But he's still a prospect. Montero was ranked #4 when the Yankees had him and it still remains to be seen whether he'll pan out.
    Yea, and the rays just traded an overrated starter who is expensive & gone in 2 years and a reliever for this player (and note he was the MPOY which Montero never was, and can play the OF]), plus a top 20 prospect, and a top 60 prospect, and a good rookie 3B prospect.

    This is potentially worse than the Tex trade.

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    Re: Shields traded to KC

    Quote Originally Posted by goin for 27 View Post
    Let me amend my last post......

    KC got absolutely fleeced. They have great fans, deserve better....

    Agree with Neyer....


    Neyer is crazy. Big difference between hitting in the PCL and MLB. No guarantees he'll be a star hitter. Shields has been one of the best starting pitchers in the AL for the past two years, and Davis showed that he's above average as a reliever.

    To say this is a bad trade for KC is foolish.
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    Re: Shields traded to KC

    If Myers becomes anything close to what he's projected as, this trade is awful. I wouldn't have done this deal if it was JUST Myers. I wouldn't ship him for anyone not named Kershaw or Hernandez. This trade looks horrible. Shields is way overrated.
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    Re: Shields traded to KC

    Holy balls. They added Odorizzi and Montgomery because of Davis? WHAT.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zimmers' Helmet View Post
    Neyer is crazy. Big difference between hitting in the PCL and MLB. No guarantees he'll be a star hitter. Shields has been one of the best starting pitchers in the AL for the past two years, and Davis showed that he's above average as a reliever.

    To say this is a bad trade for KC is foolish.
    Wil Myers is arguably a better prospect than Montero was. You don't trade that type of player for a pitcher like Shields, who's pretty good, but not an "uber" ace like a Kershaw/Verlander type. Just dumb.

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    This is why the Royals suck and will continue to do so. It's incredible how awful a trade this is.

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    Re: Shields traded to KC

    Quote Originally Posted by Zimmers' Helmet View Post
    Neyer is crazy. Big difference between hitting in the PCL and MLB. No guarantees he'll be a star hitter. Shields has been one of the best starting pitchers in the AL for the past two years, and Davis showed that he's above average as a reliever.

    To say this is a bad trade for KC is foolish.
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    Seriously, TB got Myers and kept their number one starter.....crazy good for them to pull that off.....
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    Re: Shields traded to KC

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerkface View Post
    Yea, and the rays just traded an overrated starter...
    Quote Originally Posted by 89FoxBody
    Shields is way overrated...
    This "overrated" pitcher has put up better numbers than guys like Sabathia and Grienke over the past two years - how exactly is he overrated? I expect his numbers to get even better now that he's out of the AL East, and pitching in a pitcher's ballpark.

    Like the Rays, the Royals dealt from a position of strength. Their farm system is loaded with talent - they still have guys like Zimmer and Starling looming in the horizon.

    It's a good deal for both teams.
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    Re: Shields traded to KC

    FWIW, Dayton Moore also re-signed Jeremy Guthrie and actually paid Ervin Santana to throw baseballs. Goddamn.

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    Re: Shields traded to KC

    I could give you a list of 'top prospects' who didn't pan out that is WAY longer than a list of 'top prospects' who became stars. I haven't seen the players who are going from KC to Tampa play but to assume that they'll all pan out is foolish. Tampa will be seriously lucky if one of them turns into a star. Saying that either team got fleeced at this point is silly, it will take at least 3 years to truly evaluate that. I would definitely do this deal if I was Tampa but it comes with a lot of uncertainty.

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    Re: Shields traded to KC

    I think Shields is a fantastic pitcher, but I still don't like this for the Royals. This is the type of move that's understandable if a team is one piece short of being a contender. The Royals are probably a .500 team next year. Myers is ready to play now as well.

    I'd rather have Odorizzi than Davis as well.

    Pineda was a bigger haul than Shields.

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    Re: Shields traded to KC

    Quote Originally Posted by teknetic View Post
    Holy balls. They added Odorizzi and Montgomery because of Davis? WHAT.



    Wil Myers is arguably a better prospect than Montero was. You don't trade that type of player for a pitcher like Shields, who's pretty good, but not an "uber" ace like a Kershaw/Verlander type. Just dumb.
    Yet you defended trading Montero for Pineda, who was less established than Shields, and definitely not an "uber" ace like Kershaw/Verlander. If you think you can acquire a Kershaw or Verlander for a AAA hitter, good luck with that.
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    Re: Shields traded to KC

    Quote Originally Posted by Zimmers' Helmet View Post
    This "overrated" pitcher has put up better numbers than guys like Sabathia and Grienke over the past two years - how exactly is he overrated? I expect his numbers to get even better now that he's out of the AL East, and pitching in a pitcher's ballpark.

    Like the Rays, the Royals dealt from a position of strength. Their farm system is loaded with talent - they still have guys like Zimmer and Starling looming in the horizon.

    It's a good deal for both teams.

    He had a good year last year and a fantastic year in 2011 (during which he way out-performed his FIP). The two preceding years he was garbage (2010) and average (2009). I'm not saying he's not a very good pitcher because he is. But I don't think I'd move Myers for a 31 year old pitcher. I wouldn't move him for anyone, like I said, who isn't named Kershaw or Hernandez.
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    Also I wouldn't really say that Shields has out-performed CC the last 2 years. CC had a worse ERA in 2011 however his FIP was much better, he gave up fewer HR, struck out batters at a higher rate, and exceeded Shields in WAR (by a large margin in 2011) over the last 2 years.
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    Re: Shields traded to KC

    Quote Originally Posted by DaBliz View Post
    Saying that either team got fleeced at this point is silly, it will take at least 3 years to truly evaluate that.
    I disagree with this. I think the only evaluation of a trade should be with the information that was available at the time. If Shields gets arrested tomorrow in a child pornography ring and is banned from baseball, that changes the outcome of the trade, but is shouldn't affect how each GM is judged for the decision.

    Prospects are somewhat unpredictable, but it's factored into their value. Myers only has to be a league average player over the next 6 years for him to be worth more than Shields over the next 2. This is a fine move for a team who's putting their chips in the middle and making a run for it. It's a head-scratcher for a team that is coming off a 72 win season, though.

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