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    Re: Melky Cabrera signed by Blue Jays

    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman23 View Post
    Exactly my thoughts.
    Wait one year? On a message board?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredgmuggs View Post
    Wait one year? On a message board?
    Well i am going to. I can't really judge him now until he plays clean. I think he's a good player but we'll see!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman23 View Post
    Well i am going to. I can't really judge him now until he plays clean. I think he's a good player but we'll see!
    The cynic in me thinks cheaters (well, at least the clever ones) are always two jumps ahead of the testing, so playing clean to me is an abstract term.
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    Re: Melky Cabrera signed by Blue Jays

    Great signing by the Jays - this is the type of move the Yankees should have made to fill that gap in RF.
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    Re: Melky Cabrera signed by Blue Jays

    Quote Originally Posted by fredgmuggs View Post
    Wait one year? On a message board?
    Not all message boards have posters running around with sharp objects..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredgmuggs View Post
    The cynic in me thinks cheaters (well, at least the clever ones) are always two jumps ahead of the testing, so playing clean to me is an abstract term.
    well put

    Also, we don't know what kind of PEDs he used. They might have had a permanent effect on his body that would carry over even after he stops actively using them, in which case the Jays would benefit.

    lastly, ya never know if the Jays (like the R. Sox in the 90s/00s) have their own private program of controlled and undetectable PED usage that Melky can make use of... #conspiracytheories
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    Re: Melky Cabrera signed by Blue Jays

    WOW.....

    The dude gets busted for steroids and he gets rewarded with a 2 year $16mil. Contract. Think about the message being sent. I can cheat and still get paid.
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    Re: Melky Cabrera signed by Blue Jays

    Quote Originally Posted by Cool Papa B. View Post
    WOW.....

    The dude gets busted for steroids and he gets rewarded with a 2 year $16mil. Contract. Think about the message being sent. I can cheat and still get paid.
    If he hadn't gotten busted he would have been looking at a much, much bigger contract.
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    Re: Melky Cabrera signed by Blue Jays

    Quote Originally Posted by Cool Papa B. View Post
    WOW.....

    The dude gets busted for steroids and he gets rewarded with a 2 year $16mil. Contract. Think about the message being sent. I can cheat and still get paid.
    God Bless America!......... It`s why players need to be banned for at least a year.......why not cheat when you have paydays as such......

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    Re: Melky Cabrera signed by Blue Jays

    Quote Originally Posted by effdamets View Post
    He'd better get his money back if he was using his whole career.
    Barely an 85 wRC+ player before 2011.....
    8 million is way too much for this guy.
    I'll go as far to say, the Blue Jays will either trade him away before the end of 2013 or release him outright within the same time period.
    He's not good.
    Agree on all points.
    David Ortiz tested positive for performance enhancing drugs in 2003.

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    Re: Melky Cabrera signed by Blue Jays

    Quote Originally Posted by Cool Papa B. View Post
    WOW.....

    The dude gets busted for steroids and he gets rewarded with a 2 year $16mil. Contract. Think about the message being sent. I can cheat and still get paid.
    Can we please get our facts straight?

    Cabrera did NOT test positive for steroids. He tested positive for testosterone, not steroids.
    Forgive me for taking the Contrarian view

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    Re: Melky Cabrera signed by Blue Jays

    Quote Originally Posted by longtimeyankeefan View Post
    Can we please get our facts straight?

    Cabrera did NOT test positive for steroids. He tested positive for testosterone, not steroids.
    Pardon my ignorance........what`s the difference?

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    Re: Melky Cabrera signed by Blue Jays

    Quote Originally Posted by longtimeyankeefan View Post
    Can we please get our facts straight?

    Cabrera did NOT test positive for steroids. He tested positive for testosterone, not steroids.
    That's true sorry about that.....

    Regardless of what PED he used he cheated and now he's getting rewarded for it. I wouldn't be surprised if in a few years they legalized most PED's in baseball.
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    Article at "Hardball Talk" made a good point about him taking a 2 year deal. If he was secure in his non PED talent, he probably would have done a 1 year deal to prove he was for real then cash in the following year......


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    Re: Melky Cabrera signed by Blue Jays

    Quote Originally Posted by effdamets View Post
    He'd better get his money back if he was using his whole career.
    Barely an 85 wRC+ player before 2011.....
    8 million is way too much for this guy.
    I'll go as far to say, the Blue Jays will either trade him away before the end of 2013 or release him outright within the same time period.
    He's not good.
    My "Boule de Cristal" I guess is not as clear as yours............I think you`re being too harsh ......I`m going to sit back and since I live in Canada I`ll have a front row seat to make judgement........Jays just may be worth watching next year.......

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    Re: Melky Cabrera signed by Blue Jays

    Quote Originally Posted by longtimeyankeefan View Post
    Can we please get our facts straight?

    Cabrera did NOT test positive for steroids. He tested positive for testosterone, not steroids.
    Semantics. Testosterone is a steroid hormone.
    David Ortiz tested positive for performance enhancing drugs in 2003.

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    Re: Melky Cabrera signed by Blue Jays

    He can play like the old sub 100 wRC+ Melky but it's not necessary related to PED.

    History shows that there are lots of 1 year fluke players.

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    Re: Melky Cabrera signed by Blue Jays

    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t View Post
    He can play like the old sub 100 wRC+ Melky but it's not necessary related to PED.

    History shows that there are lots of 1 year fluke players.
    http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs.aspx...ge=6&type=full
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    Quote Originally Posted by NelsonMuntz View Post
    Semantics. Testosterone is a steroid hormone.
    It's NOT semantics. For all we know Melky could have been taking a stupid over the counter test booster. This reminds me of when Daniel McCutchen tested positive for aderol and everyone thought it was steroids. Big difference between taking an oral test booster and shooting up with anabolic steroids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BennyTheJetRodriguez View Post
    It's NOT semantics. For all we know Melky could have been taking a stupid over the counter test booster. This reminds me of when Daniel McCutchen tested positive for aderol and everyone thought it was steroids. Big difference between taking an oral test booster and shooting up with anabolic steroids.
    Nah. Melky admitted to knowingly taking a PED after getting busted. I give him credit for not giving a "someone spiked my juice" excuse.
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    Re: Melky Cabrera signed by Blue Jays

    http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs.aspx...ge=6&type=full

    EDIT: I delete Appling's link. It's a bad example.

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    like delv, but better

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    Re: Melky Cabrera signed by Blue Jays

    Quote Originally Posted by SatchelPaigeYankee View Post
    you sure love you some luke appling
    I do think that he's very underrated.

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    They'll just inject him with whatever they're putting into encarnacion and bautista and viola, you get the Dominican josh hamilton
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cool Papa B. View Post
    Nah. Melky admitted to knowingly taking a PED after getting busted. I give him credit for not giving a "someone spiked my juice" excuse.
    There are over the counter testosterone boosters. They aren't difficult to get at all. Many are advertised for on TV and radio. Taking a test booster is COMPLETELY different from taking anabolic steroids. It's also extremely easy to mask, so he might not even stop taking it. The fact that he actuall tested positive for testosterone tells me that that is all he is taking. Everything else is much more difficult to hide.

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