Is Pettitte a first ballot Hall of Famer?

[newyorkyankees6]

If he retires for good after this season, will he be a first ballot Hall of Famer when it's time to vote him in?

[BennyTheJetRodriguez]

No. What? No he isn't.

[eaganmafia]

No, Andy belongs in the Hall of Very Good.

But he's no Hall of Fame player.

[BennyTheJetRodriguez]

To elaborate his numbers are far from overwhelming and he's an admitted HGH user. No way he gets voted in first ballot. As far as him getting in at all, nothing the HOF voters do shock me any more, but I'd be confused (not surprised) if he were ever voted in.

[JL25and3]

No...

[Mr. Mxylsplk]

Agreed with those who think he won't get in at all (I mean, unless he piches the rest of this decade like he pitched in 2012). And while I wouldn't be my house on that, I pretty much would bet my house that he won't get in on the first ballot.

[snapple]

i think he'll get in... just not first ballot.

[Yankee Fan in Boston]

i think he'll get in... just not first ballot.

I can't see it. He wasn't dominant in his era, and he didn't compile statistics in a way that will get people's attention.

He's a great Yankee, but not an all-time great.

[RenoHightower]

I can't see it. He wasn't dominant in his era, and he didn't compile statistics in a way that will get people's attention.

He's a great Yankee, but not an all-time great.

Not to mention the number of people who won't vote for anyone with any sort of link to PEDs. Pettitte isn't getting into the HOF.

[pleasepassthesoup]

He's not a Hall of Famer, let alone a first ballot Hall of Famer.

[yanksftw]

no, using peds kinda kills it

[Hitman23]

i think he'll get in... just not first ballot.

Agreed.

[snapple]

He's not a Hall of Famer

I don't know. Something about being a major cog in the dynasty tells me he's going to get some HoF love.

[pleasepassthesoup]

I don't know. Something about being a major cog in the dynasty tells me he's going to get some HoF love.

If he was clean, he'd be borderline. Since he got caught doing HGH, he's no longer borderline.

[Yankee Tripper]

First ballot. No and hell no.

Voted in? Possibly depending on how watered down the pool gets and how many more wins he tacks on if he keeps pitching a few more years.

Veterans committee? Depends how they feel about admited HGH usage then.

Hall of very good - he's near the top of the list.

[awy]

prob not even going to get in. people tend to underrate late 90's pitchers because of the high offensive environment crushing trad. stats

[Yankee Tripper]

prob not even going to get in. people tend to underrate late 90's pitchers because of the high offensive environment crushing trad. stats

Guys like Randy Johnson, Greg Maddux and Pedro Martinez are under rated? Those are just 3 that come to mind quickly. I'm sure if I looked I'd find a few more that are well ahead of Pettitee.

[Tifoso]

prob not even going to get in. people tend to underrate late 90's pitchers because of the high offensive environment crushing trad. stats

But wouldn't that mean that he was an even better pitcher considering the ridiculous offensive power? What am I missing?

[awy]

Guys like Randy Johnson, Greg Maddux and Pedro Martinez are under rated? Those are just 3 that come to mind quickly. I'm sure if I looked I'd find a few more that are well ahead of Pettitee.

historically speaking? yes. those stats are better than the saem stats now. obviously those guys were very good, but the standard for the hall tend to be without sensible adjustments to era. far fewer pitchers get in, fewer good hitters from 'tough' positions get in, especially in pitching dominated enviornemnts

[awy]

But wouldn't that mean that he was an even better pitcher considering the ridiculous offensive power? What am I missing?

yes, that's what i am saying.

[kan_t]

historically speaking? yes. those stats are better than the saem stats now. obviously those guys were very good, but the standard for the hall tend to be without sensible adjustments to era. far fewer pitchers get in, fewer good hitters from 'tough' positions get in, especially in pitching dominated enviornemnts

Martinez, Randy Johnson, Maddux wouldn't be underrated. They're all time great in any era. Moose and Schilling are the victims there. They have solid HOF career but are underrated because of the era and overshadowing by the inner circle HOFers.

[JL25and3]

Martinez, Randy Johnson, Maddux wouldn't be underrated. They're all time great in any era. Moose and Schilling are the victims there. They have solid HOF career but are underrated because of the era and overshadowing by the inner circle HOFers.

Schilling's biggest problem is that he waited until his mid-30s before he started having a HOF career.

[Yankee Tripper]

historically speaking? yes. those stats are better than the saem stats now. obviously those guys were very good, but the standard for the hall tend to be without sensible adjustments to era. far fewer pitchers get in, fewer good hitters from 'tough' positions get in, especially in pitching dominated enviornemnts

If you want an under-represented class of pitchers looks at pitchers who started their career from about 1975 - 1985. I can't think of 1 (non-closer) picther from that group who is in the hall. It is why Jack Morris who probably doesn't belong in the Hall is one day going to get elected as he's "arguably the best from that era".

A number of pitchers from the early to mid-90s (Pettitte's starting point) are sure to get in the hall.

Andy has consistently very good number but has no real peak seasons to say ooooh and no pretty compilation numbers like 300 wins. There were also few if any seasons where he was clearly the best starting pitcher on his own team.

[Yankee Tripper]

Martinez, Randy Johnson, Maddux wouldn't be underrated. They're all time great in any era. Moose and Schilling are the victims there. They have solid HOF career but are underrated because of the era and overshadowing by the inner circle HOFers.

Yes but you get compared not only to the existing hall but how you did in your own era. When you have 3 all time greats from one era, the step below tends to look poor by comparison.

I was commenting that the late 90s produced 3 all time greats - 4 if you want to count a steriod fueled rocketbooster so was wondering how it could possibly be "underated". Add in 300 winner Tom Glavine, borderline HOF Smoltz how w/o injuries is probably not borderline. And where is t he underrating coming from in the late 90s?

[Zimmers' Helmet]

Tommy John isn't in the HOF, so Pettitte won't get in either - regardless of HGH.