Should we give Cano a 10 year deal?

[GordonGecko]

Everybody realizes that you'll be debating this for at least another 12 months, right?

I'll check in again in November 2013

[effdamets]

Everybody realizes that you'll be debating this for at least another 12 months, right?

I'll check in again in November 2013

Not entirely true.
There is a chance, ever so slight, that the Yankees decide to extend Cano now, before he hits the FA market.

[kan_t]

Not entirely true.
There is a chance, ever so slight, that the Yankees decide to extend Cano now, before he hits the FA market.

I think it actually makes sense for them to break the no extension rule under the special circumstance (2014 payroll limit). Let say if Cano will accept an offer at 8 years $160M and the Yankees are willing to pay for it. Instead of giving him the offer after next season, the Yankees may offer him a 9 years $176M extension so the AAV can be lower.

[THEBOSS84]

I think it actually makes sense for them to break the no extension rule under the special circumstance (2014 payroll limit). Let say if Cano will accept an offer at 8 years $160M and the Yankees are willing to pay for it. Instead of giving him the offer after next season, the Yankees may offer him a 9 years $176M extension so the AAV can be lower.

It's a $450K difference that way.

[effdamets]

It's a $450K difference that way.

The Yankees would be loucky to save 450K on players not named Jeter, A-Rod, CC or Tex.
That'd be about 9.5 million....

[kan_t]

It's a $450K difference that way.

You try to save as much as you can if the 2014 $189M payroll (AAV) is real. $450K can make a difference when Cashman tries to fill in other pieces in next off-season.

[ieddyi]

Robbie just became an American citizen today

Congrats

PS

Wonder what his tax attorney has to say?

[GordonGecko]

Wonder what his tax attorney has to say?

I'm sure he was a permanent resident before this. As such he had and will still have to pay all US taxes. The only question is what residence he claims to spends most of the year in - New York City is probably not it.

[Eldee5]

Congratulations to Robinson on his US Citizenship.

[BobbytheMurcer]

I thinking the age of the 10 year contract is over. Assuming whoever would be in the running to sign Cano, would already have a heavy debt load. This new penalty on over the top payrolls will scare the bejusus out of them.

Look at us in 2014...we have the 189 mill cap but then we have ARod, CC and Tex..all being paid more then they are worth..So OUR cap is more like 160 mil compared to teams who don't have these anchors dragging them down. Teams i think will really try to avoid this.

[grizy]

Fielder got 9
Pujols got 10
Votto just got 10.
Braun got 10
Tulowizky got 10


Teams got more cash than ever before.

The age of 10 year contracts is just getting started.

[awy]

a possible explanation for the stickiness of the 10 years thing is that at least at the elite level, ,players have more leverage than they previous realized.

[kan_t]

Fielder got 9
Pujols got 10
Votto just got 10.
Braun got 10
Tulowizky got 10


Teams got more cash than ever before.

The age of 10 year contracts is just getting started.

Fielder (9 years contract starting from his age 28 season)
Pujols (10 years contract starting from his age 32 season)
Votto (10 years extension starting from his age 30 season)
Braun (5 years extension starting from his age 32 season)
Tulowitzki (10 years extension starting from his age 26 season)

Cano will start his FA contract at his age 31 season. Let see if Boras can sell him being as good as Pujols.

[Chacon]

One thing we have learned is that these top FAs always get more money and years than we have speculated. There is so much money floating around in baseball now.

[longtimeyankeefan]

Fielder (9 years contract starting from his age 28 season)
Pujols (10 years contract starting from his age 32 season)
Votto (10 years extension starting from his age 30 season)
Braun (5 years extension starting from his age 32 season)
Tulowitzki (10 years extension starting from his age 26 season)

Cano will start his FA contract at his age 31 season. Let see if Boras can sell him being as good as Pujols.

Of these five contracts, the only ones I think may pan out at the end are the Fielder and Tulowitzki contracts - I would bet dollars to donuts that the Pulos, Votto and Braun contracts are all viewed, in the latter years, in a manner similar to ARod's contract now.

[longtimeyankeefan]

One thing we have learned is that these top FAs always get more money and years than we have speculated. There is so much money floating around in baseball now.

The minimum salary in baseball these days is something like $500,000 per year - it can be argued that all baseball players get more money than they deserve.

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[Hitman23]

I am so torn on Cano. Not sure if my Yankee glasses are on here, with him being a farm guy and watching him develop into a superstar or not. But I can't help but remember what a luxury it is to have a top middle infield/middle of the order guy. I realize his age is a concern so contract length is also a concern, but I really hate to see him go. Guys like Cano are just not all that common. I also understand the Yankees changing salary and contract views right now however I think that while they tone down everything else Cano can be the exception, within reason. I just don't know where "within reason" is. But he is not only the best hitter on the Yankees right now, he is one of the best in baseball imo, and he's a damn good 2B. He's got it all.

[effdamets]

I am so torn on Cano. Not sure if my Yankee glasses are on here, with him being a farm guy and watching him develop into a superstar or not. But I can't help but remember what a luxury it is to have a top middle infield/middle of the order guy. I realize his age is a concern so contract length is also a concern, but I really hate to see him go. Guys like Cano are just not all that common. I also understand the Yankees changing salary and contract views right now however I think that while they tone down everything else Cano can be the exception, within reason. I just don't know where "within reason" is. But he is not only the best hitter on the Yankees right now, he is one of the best in baseball imo, and he's a damn good 2B. He's got it all.

This is how I feel too. However, I cannot lie, but there are times I feel they should give him what he wants. (I really like Cano as a player)
Maybe, and at this point it's a fantasy, maybe Cano takes less money for more years.
Something like 175 million for 10 years.
17.5 mil a year isn't too bad.

[grizy]

We need to come to terms with the realities of MLB FA structure (no salary cap on contracts).

With the CBA as structured, it's mega contracts for the best players or you don't get the best players at all, unless you luckbox into one from the farm.

[sweet_lou_14]

We need to come to terms with the realities of MLB FA structure (no salary cap on contracts).

With the CBA as structured, it's mega contracts for the best players or you don't get the best players at all, unless you luckbox into one from the farm.

It's not 100% luck by any means. There's a reason the #1 pick got David Price, for example.

[grizy]

Definitely.

I totally agree scouting matters.

[SatchelPaigeYankee]

This is how I feel too. However, I cannot lie, but there are times I feel they should give him what he wants. (I really like Cano as a player)
Maybe, and at this point it's a fantasy, maybe Cano takes less money for more years.
Something like 175 million for 10 years.
17.5 mil a year isn't too bad.

how about a back-loaded contract? the yankees don't need a sub-189 budget forever, just by 2014, when the luxury tax clock resets

[JL25and3]

how about a back-loaded contract? the yankees don't need a sub-189 budget forever, just by 2014, when the luxury tax clock resets

For luxury tax purposes, payroll is figured on the basis of AAV. It doesn't matter when you actually pay the money out.

[Lucky Pierre]

10 years is way too long. I love Robby, but that's just too much.

[Lucky Pierre]

Congratulations to Robinson on his US Citizenship.

I missed this. That's great.