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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerkface View Post
    No, a guy who is 8th or worse out of all outfield prospects in the Yankees system is a nobody.
    Almonte isn't on any top 30, wasn't taken in the Rule 5, isn't on the 40 man, and would need to go on the 40 man next offseason or be lost to minor league free agency. He would take up an outfield slot that the Yankees need for Garcia, Slade, Austin, Flores, Mesa, Almonte, Neal, etc.

    They got a major league reliever for a guy that will probably be a minor league free agent next year. Almonte is a tool box who had a decent season in AA at age 23. The Yankees have decided to go with Zoilo & Mesa over him.
    So getting back to this trade for a moment, I'm pretty neutral on the actual trade but I wonder if it is a precursor to another move Cashman is working on. I mean how many RH relief pitchers is this team going to carry?
    Mo (lock)
    Robertson (lock)
    Joba (trade?)
    Aardsma
    Kelley
    Eppley
    Nova/Phelps (only one is making the rotation)

    That's in addition to carrying at least one LHP (Logan) but likely two (either Rapada or Cabral) given Giardi's fondness for L/L matchups.

    Pure speculation on my part, but trading for Kelley does seem like a curious move in a vacuum.
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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    Quote Originally Posted by NelsonMuntz View Post
    So getting back to this trade for a moment, I'm pretty neutral on the actual trade but I wonder if it is a precursor to another move Cashman is working on. I mean how many RH relief pitchers is this team going to carry?
    Mo (lock)
    Robertson (lock)
    Joba (trade?)
    Aardsma
    Kelley
    Eppley
    Nova/Phelps (only one is making the rotation)

    That's in addition to carrying at least one LHP (Logan) but likely two (either Rapada or Cabral) given Giardi's fondness for L/L matchups.

    Pure speculation on my part, but trading for Kelley does seem like a curious move in a vacuum.
    Well the team is most likely losing Mariano, Joba, and Aardsma in free agency, so it could have just been a pre-emptive move to get a guy that can be an option this year or sit in AAA. Considering what they gave up to get him and the timing of why they got him (he was DFA'd so to trade for him required acting now, he never woulda made it to them on waivers), it is not terribly curious.

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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerkface View Post
    Well the team is most likely losing Mariano, Joba, and Aardsma in free agency, so it could have just been a pre-emptive move to get a guy that can be an option this year or sit in AAA. Considering what they gave up to get him and the timing of why they got him (he was DFA'd so to trade for him required acting now, he never woulda made it to them on waivers), it is not terribly curious.
    That makes sense. I didn't realize he still had options.
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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerkface View Post
    Well the team is most likely losing Mariano, Joba, and Aardsma in free agency, so it could have just been a pre-emptive move to get a guy that can be an option this year or sit in AAA. Considering what they gave up to get him and the timing of why they got him (he was DFA'd so to trade for him required acting now, he never woulda made it to them on waivers), it is not terribly curious.
    Is he really much more than a fungible reliever, something you could just as easily find a year from now? Not that Almonte is much of a loss, but it seems like an awful lot of planning for something that should be readily available.
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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    It's crazy how important Pineda's recovery is going to be for the future of this franchise. I don't think I'm exaggerating either.

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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    Quote Originally Posted by THEBOSS84 View Post
    It's crazy how important Pineda's recovery is going to be for the future of this franchise. I don't think I'm exaggerating either.
    Totally agree. If he becomes the pitcher he appeared to be in '11, he's a cost effective ace during the downside of A-Rod/Tex/etc's contracts. Pettitte/Kuroda money can be spent elsewhere. If he doesn't... ouch.

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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    Is he really much more than a fungible reliever, something you could just as easily find a year from now? Not that Almonte is much of a loss, but it seems like an awful lot of planning for something that should be readily available.
    At the price they paid, I don't think there are a lot of Kelleys floating around. You might get injured guys like aardsma, or junk guys like Eppley, but a real life strike out reliever? Certainly around but probably not for as cheap as they got Kelley. I don't see why this move is out of place, its like Cashman climbed out of the dumpster for a second and landed next to a very nice thrift store and there was a really good deal. May as well take it.

    If he had made this move before ST and had to dump someone off the 40 man I'd be much warier of the deal, but this move cost nothing except a nobody in AA. Putting it another way, I highly doubt Cashman could trade for someone we actually may need at the moment and only give up Abe Almonte doing it. This move doesn't stop him from making any other deal. It was simply nice value to get a major league relief pitcher for a 5th OFer.

    Edit: Middle relief is fungible, and Cashman just funged up a decent looking middle reliever. Thats precisely what you do!

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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

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    It's based on the length of your posts. Once you make a post of over 500 characters, you'll be able to start a new thread.
    That's kind of a dumb rule.

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    That's kind of a dumb rule.
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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    Quote Originally Posted by THEBOSS84 View Post
    It's crazy how important Pineda's recovery is going to be for the future of this franchise. I don't think I'm exaggerating either.
    If Pineda is a total bust, we could still have very good and cheap production from the OF and catcher positions as well as relief and back-end rotation guys. I don't think it will cripple us losing Pineda alone, but SOME of these prospects need to pan out or it's not going to be pretty.


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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    The shoulder could be a big thing, but I must hold onto hope that Pineda can pull it together. He's a young guy. he's still got plenty of years to figure it out.
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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    Quote Originally Posted by jcarey View Post
    If Pineda is a total bust, we could still have very good and cheap production from the OF and catcher positions as well as relief and back-end rotation guys. I don't think it will cripple us losing Pineda alone, but SOME of these prospects need to pan out or it's not going to be pretty.
    He needs to pan out because 1/2 pitchers do not hit the market anymore and when they do, their contracts arent pretty. You have to have these guys under your control.

    The Yankees got lucky CC was on the market and they struck gold with him. It likely wont happen again anytime soon.
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    That's kind of a dumb rule.
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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

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    It's based on the length of your posts. Once you make a post of over 500 characters, you'll be able to start a new thread.
    No, it's actually based on your ability to stay on topic. Every time you make an off-topic post, it adds two weeks to the waiting period before you can start a thread.

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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

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    No, are you telling me I need an avatar to start a thread ?

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    No, are you telling me I need an avatar to start a thread ?
    Yes but it has to be a My Little Pony related one, like mine. And you have to have it for a whole month.

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    a bit too gay for me !!!

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    I had no idea we signed Juan Rivera until I saw a pic of him in camp today.
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    I had no idea we signed Juan Rivera until I saw a pic of him in camp today.
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    I wouldn't be too sure.
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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    it comes down to whose career is less toast: diaz or rivera
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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

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    No, are you telling me I need an avatar to start a thread ?
    Seriously. to start a thread you have to have a certain number of posts and you have to have been a member for a certain length of time. I think it's 50 posts and 6 months; at least, it was that at one time or another. Unfortunately the link to the FAQ about such matters seems to be broken. It used to be here:

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