New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

[snapple]

Joe is being ridiculous. And a man in his position should not be made to look ridiculous. Switching Gardner and Granderson is an absolute no-brainer.

Im pretty sure it's just politics. Like, Joe hasn't had a chance to talk to either one of them yet.

[Mr Coffee]

There's no rush. Also, if one of them gets hurt or something, the decision would be made for him.

[hardrain]

Im pretty sure it's just politics. Like, Joe hasn't had a chance to talk to either one of them yet.

What? the phones don't work before spring training starts? I want this thing fixed today!!!!!

[hardrain]

There's no rush. Also, if one of them gets hurt or something, the decision would be made for him.

let's hope neither gets hurt. the outfield depth on this team is lacking

[Mr Coffee]

let's hope neither gets hurt. the outfield depth on this team is lacking

Of course. Just saying.

[snapple]

What? the phones don't work before spring training starts? I want this thing fixed today!!!!!

You're cute :3

[hardrain]

You're cute :3

I'm not okay with this.

[Yankee Tripper]

let's hope neither gets hurt. the outfield depth on this team is lacking

I wonder what it would take to get Drew Stubbs from the Indians and if it would be worth pursuing. With Bourn signed Stubbs seems the odd man out. He hits right handed has some power and speed but strikes out a ton and doesn't walk much. I wouldn't give up much for him but I would give something because he's better than the right handed alternatives the Yanks currently have for the OF.

Unless Melky Mesa or Zolio Almonte is ready for the show but I think each probably need a year at AAA.

[Gusto]

I wonder what it would take to get Drew Stubbs from the Indians and if it would be worth pursuing. With Bourn signed Stubbs seems the odd man out. He hits right handed has some power and speed but strikes out a ton and doesn't walk much. I wouldn't give up much for him but I would give something because he's better than the right handed alternatives the Yanks currently have for the OF.

Unless Melky Mesa or Zolio Almonte is ready for the show but I think each probably need a year at AAA.

Wouldn't Stubbs fill the same role for the Indians that he would on the Yankees? Brantley needs platoon help more than any of the Yankee OF.

[d32123]

Special Joe at it again lol

[effdamets]

Joe is being ridiculous. And a man in his position should not be made to look ridiculous. Switching Gardner and Granderson is an absolute no-brainer.

I fully disagree.
If Granderson is way bad LFer, like much worse than he is as a CFer, you don't make the switch.
Because you'd be losing more in LF than you'd be gaining in CF.

[d32123]

I fully disagree.
If Granderson is way bad LFer, like much worse than he is as a CFer, you don't make the switch.
Because you'd be losing more in LF than you'd be gaining in CF.

This only works if you assume that CF and LF are equally valuable defensive positions. They're not. The benefits of having a superior fielder in CF would do more to counteract the drawbacks of having an inferior fielder in LF.

[effdamets]

This only works if you assume that CF and LF are equally valuable defensive positions. They're not. The benefits of having a superior fielder in CF would do more to counteract the drawbacks of having an inferior fielder in LF.

Not really.
If Granderson is worth 4 wins in CF and -4 wins in LF and Gardner is worth 3 wins in each position, you'd be losing 2 wins by playing Granderson in left.
(these numbers aren't exact, just an example)

[d32123]

Not really.
If Granderson is worth 4 wins in CF and -4 wins in LF and Gardner is worth 3 wins in each position, you'd be losing 2 wins by playing Granderson in left.
(these numbers aren't exact, just an example)

But my point is that Mr. Gardner would actually be worth more wins as a CF than he would as a LF because CF is an inherently more valuable defensive position.

[effdamets]

But my point is that Mr. Gardner would actually be worth more wins as a CF than he would as a LF because CF is an inherently more valuable defensive position.

I do not disagree with your thought.
But there is no way of telling right now how bad Granderson will be in LF.
Therefore you cannot say it's a no brainer.

[d32123]

I do not disagree with your thought.
But there is no way of telling right now how bad Granderson will be in LF.
Therefore you cannot say it's a no brainer.

Do we have any reason to believe that Granderson would be even poorer as a LF than he is as a CF?

[effdamets]

Do we have any reason to believe that Granderson would be even poorer as a LF than he is as a CF?

The question should be do we have evidence he'd be a better LFer than CFer?...
Considering that he's never really played LF, especially in Yankee Stadium, I'm betting he'll be a much worse LFer than CFer.

[d32123]

The question should be do we have evidence he'd be a better LFer than CFer?...
Considering that he's never really played LF, especially in Yankee Stadium, I'm betting he'll be a much worse LFer than CFer.

While this argument isn't total ridiculoussauce, I really some see how we can assume that he'd be horrible in LF especially if he got to work on the position for a Spring Training or so.

[effdamets]

While this argument isn't total ridiculoussauce, I really some see how we can assume that he'd be horrible in LF especially if he got to work on the position for a Spring Training or so.

OK.
And suppose Granderson is a full hack out in LF after the spring. Then what? Now you have two players that are unprepared defensively because they were playing out of position all spring long.

Again, these are just thoughts that I have and none of them carry any truth whatsoever.

[d32123]

Again, these are just thoughts that I have and none of them carry any truth whatsoever.

Well at least you're admitting it.

[Jerkface]

OK.
And suppose Granderson is a full hack out in LF after the spring. Then what? Now you have two players that are unprepared defensively because they were playing out of position all spring long.

Again, these are just thoughts that I have and none of them carry any truth whatsoever.

Would they really be unprepared defensively? You put them back in their old positions if it sucks so bad, but I don't see how it will. LF in Yankee Stadium is big, but still smaller than CF, and most of the LFs in baseball are smaller again than LF in YS. So I don't really see how Granderson can go from Above Average CFer to Terrible Below Average LFer.

Every CFer in baseball makes the transition eventually! If Damon, Gardner, & Melky can do it, so can Granderson.

[effdamets]

Well at least you're admitting it.

I've never said otherwise.
I'm just saying that "no brainer" is a stretch for changing the two players' positions.

[snapple]

Would they really be unprepared defensively? You put them back in their old positions if it sucks so bad, but I don't see how it will. LF in Yankee Stadium is big, but still smaller than CF, and most of the LFs in baseball are smaller. So I don't really see how Granderson can go from Above Average CFer to Terrible Below Average LFer.

He's not above-average in CF.

[effdamets]

Would they really be unprepared defensively? You put them back in their old positions if it sucks so bad, but I don't see how it will. LF in Yankee Stadium is big, but still smaller than CF, and most of the LFs in baseball are smaller. So I don't really see how Granderson can go from Above Average CFer to Terrible Below Average LFer.

The ball comes to a CFer much differently than a ball coming to a LFer.
In CF, the ball is never curving towards you. In left (and right), half of the balls are moving towards you and the other half away from you.
There are adjustments. I'm not saying Granderson can't handle those changes.
But I am saying that it's not a no brainer of a decision.

[Jerkface]

The ball comes to a CFer much differently than a ball coming to a CFer.
In CF, the ball is never curving towards you. In left (and right), half of the balls are moving towards you and the other half away from you.
There are adjustments. I'm not saying Granderson can't handle those changes.
But I am saying that it's not a no brainer of a decision.

He has played 120+ games in LF in his career, so something tells me he'll be fine.