New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

[NerfBall55]

Interesting Cashman interview from yesterday:



http://bombersbeat.mlblogs.com/2013/...think-we-dont/

Cashman almost seem a little defensive. At the risk of playing the armchair psychologist, it almost sounds as if some deals fell through and he's trying to reassure himself that he doesn't actually have to do any work until May or June.

Thanks for that link.

I don't think he sounds defensive, but it's hard to read without the benefit of audio.

He's just laying out the situation at hand. But, one thing is does point out is the obvious - the Yankees just can get whoever they want, and are actually turned down by players.

[NelsonMuntz]

Nunez in the infield. I cringe everytime I think of that.

We all do.

[NerfBall55]

I definitely do not expect Championships or guarantees or anything of the sort.

Perpetual success can get boring, like anything else. I remember when we lost in 2001, it didnt sting as much initially because of the Dynasty run. 2001 broke that cycle.

I'm just DONE with these " veteran " teams. THAT is boring already. Ichiro, Youkilis ... 2 more swan song veterans to join BINGO night.

The recent championship and runner up teams have a good mix of young cheap talent, a good core of players in their prime and a sprinkle of veteran leadership.

We have a roster of grossly overpaid - way past their prime - veterans, 2 -3 players in their prime and a sprinkle of young cheap talent.

Its backwards. has been for a long time. Theres no reason why we cant have a team like the SF Giants, or the Texas Rangers, or the Cardinals, or the Reds. Yes it will take some time, but if and when we get there it would pay huge dividends.

We scored over 100+ more than some of the teams you listed, and had an OPS higher than over 70 pts, and had better pitching.

There's no magic mix of youth and veterans that makes a championship. It's good players, skill, timing, and luck.

[snapple]

We scored over 100+ more than some of the teams you listed, and had an OPS higher than over 70 pts, and had better pitching.

There's no magic mix of youth and veterans that makes a championship. It's good players, skill, timing, and luck.

your post is going to fall on deaf ears.

[THEBOSS84]

I just returned from vacation to learn we missed out on Upton. I always wanted him, and always thought he fit perfectly into what we needed, especially considering his low AAV hit towards the $189M goal.

Reading Keith Law's trade write-up makes me sad:

The Atlanta Braves didn't specifically need Justin Upton to be playoff contenders again in 2013, but having him certainly helps. Because they got him for about 50 cents on the dollar, they should be over the moon about the deal they wrapped up Thursday, which restores what they lost with Michael Bourn's departure and sets them up well for the two years that follow as well.

Arizona's return boils down to this: one year of Martin Prado, six years of a fifth starter in Randall Delgado, two fringy prospects and one non-prospect. If that sounds like a good deal to you, I have some beachfront property in Phoenix to sell you.

[JL25and3]

Well, getting creative... For the first 90 games you can rotate Jeter, Youk, Tex and Nunez in and out of the 3 field posiitions and DH.
Doubtful that all 4 guys would get the same day off.
And that's not counting a guy that may surprise the club in Spring Training.

We'll wait and see.

So either Nunez plays every day or someone "may surprise the club."

That sounds like a long way of saying, "I got nothing."

[rajah]

If Law's assessment is correct, it is hard to understand not only why the Yankees did not offer more to get him, but also why many other teams (e.g. Rangers) did not offer more. What teams other than the Mariners were on his no-trade list?

I agree this is very disappointing, more so than any other non-move this winter.

[ymike673]

Yes, if only our farm could produce guys like Gardner, Robertson, Cano, Hughes, Cabrerra, Jackson, etc..we'd be all set.

And if Cabrera, Jackson and Montero were still on the roster maybe they would be.

Cano was signed as a free agent in 2001. He was not a part of the draft.

[Abe Frohman]

And if Cabrera, Jackson and Montero were still on the roster maybe they would be.

Cano was signed as a free agent in 2001. He was not a part of the draft.

Some of the players he listed have contributed on the MLB level, Cano mainly.

However, that is hardly a core of young talent you could build around.

Gardner is arguably a good player ... i say arguably because you ask any NYY fan and they'll relegate him to pinch running duties quick.

Robertson is a RP who has shown difficulty acclimating to a closers role, the greatest contribution a RP could make to his club.

Phil Hughes is a league average pitcher.

Cabrera is gone and has done far more out of a Yankee uni than in one.

Jackson too has developed into something, elsewhere.

So of all these prospects he mentioned, we have one elite player in Cano, some great RP from DROB, and a few SB's from Gardner.

nothing else.

[flymick24]

cashman was interviewed on WFAN about 2 hours ago... said that he missed out on upton because he was too busy monitoring the progress of carl pavano from his ruptured spleen

[tranquility]

Catcher George Kottaras, who had been mentioned as a potential target for the Yankees, has been claimed off waivers by the Kansas City Royals:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Royals/st...0777575424?p=v

[teknetic]

I just returned from vacation to learn we missed out on Upton. I always wanted him, and always thought he fit perfectly into what we needed, especially considering his low AAV hit towards the $189M goal.

Reading Keith Law's trade write-up makes me sad:

Has Delgado's stock fallen that much? I thought he was a top-tier prospect.

[Mark19]

cashman was interviewed on WFAN about 2 hours ago... said that he missed out on upton because he was too busy monitoring the progress of carl pavano from his ruptured spleen

I heard he was going to be on - what did he actually say?

[dabomb2045]

Really maybe the Yankees should be spending their money on people who can get results in the area of player development. Its ridiculous that the Yankees can not produce any quality players from their farm system. Plenty of top players are drafted in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Even if the Yankees never have a high first round pick they should still be able to get quality players from the draft. They have three first round picks in this seasons draft. Would be nice if they could get a quality player from one of those picks.

Doesnt help when we blow draft picks on people like Cito Culver, or cant get Gerrit Cole signed (not saying Cole was all the Yanks fault, but the fact is they couldnt get a deal done. And I'm aware we got Heathcott because of losing him).

I believe we have three first rounders in 2013? We need to absolutely nail this upcoming draft.

[flymick24]

I heard he was going to be on - what did he actually say?

nothing that we haven't already heard... specifically mentioned the need for a RH OFer, but from what it sounded like, he's still engaged (not really sure what's left out there, but i'm really hoping it's not something depressing like carlos lee)

said that he's comfortable with cervelli and stewart because of their "experience" and their offensive "upside"

also of note is that surprisingly, he said that arod could potentially miss all of 2013

link to audio:
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/?podcast...ml&dcid=CBS.NY

[Mark19]

nothing that we haven't already heard... specifically mentioned the need for a RH OFer, but from what it sounded like, he's still engaged (not really sure what's left out there, but i'm really hoping it's not something depressing like carlos lee)

also of not is that surprisingly, he said that arod could potentially miss all of 2013

link to audio:
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/?podcast...ml&dcid=CBS.NY

Thanks

Unfortunately I suspect that Lee is near the top of his list. I know that Lee vetoed a trade to the Yanks at the deadline last year.

[snapple]

Thanks

Unfortunately I suspect that Lee is near the top of his list. I know that Lee vetoed a trade to the Yanks at the deadline last year.

[citation needed]

[snapple]

thanks for posting that flymick. Mark Montgomery sounds like pure ecstasy.

[Mark19]

[citation needed]

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...o-the-yankees/

The wonders of Google...

[snapple]

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...o-the-yankees/

The wonders of Google...

I was thinking Cliff Lee for some reason.

[NerfBall55]

Some of the players he listed have contributed on the MLB level, Cano mainly.

However, that is hardly a core of young talent you could build around.

Gardner is arguably a good player ... i say arguably because you ask any NYY fan and they'll relegate him to pinch running duties quick.

Robertson is a RP who has shown difficulty acclimating to a closers role, the greatest contribution a RP could make to his club.

Phil Hughes is a league average pitcher.

Cabrera is gone and has done far more out of a Yankee uni than in one.

Jackson too has developed into something, elsewhere.

So of all these prospects he mentioned, we have one elite player in Cano, some great RP from DROB, and a few SB's from Gardner.

nothing else.

Few SB's? I guess we should ignore elite defense and high OBP because it won't fit your argument. But anyway, the point wasn't in the context of "where are they now" it was in the comment that our farm couldn't produce good players. And, you can absolutely build a core around Cano/Gardner/Jackson/Robertson, etc....

[flymick24]

cashman also specifically mentioned a DH as a target... i didn't get the impression that he was going to use it as a rotating spot for all the aging player... he probably wants to get another raul ibanez type, although not one who necessarily plays the OF this time (because he was actually stressing that the RH OFer needs to play strong defense)

here's a list of what's available:

Bobby Abreu (39)
Johnny Damon (39)
Travis Hafner (36)
Nick Johnson (34)
Jim Thome (42)

i'm thinking cashman has his sights set on hafner or thome

[snapple]

Robertson - who had like 3 or 4 save attempts last season "has difficulty adjusting to the closer role". Now you're just trolling.

[False1]

Interesting Cashman interview from yesterday:



http://bombersbeat.mlblogs.com/2013/...think-we-dont/

Cashman almost seem a little defensive. At the risk of playing the armchair psychologist, it almost sounds as if some deals fell through and he's trying to reassure himself that he doesn't actually have to do any work until May or June.

What did he say that made him sound defensive to you?

[Mark19]

cashman also specifically mentioned a DH as a target... i didn't get the impression that he was going to use it as a rotating spot for all the aging player... he probably wants to get another raul ibanez type, although not one who necessarily plays the OF this time (because he was actually stressing that the RH OFer needs to play strong defense)

here's a list of what's available:

Bobby Abreu (39)
Johnny Damon (39)
Travis Hafner (36)
Nick Johnson (34)
Jim Thome (42)

i'm thinking cashman has his sights set on hafner or thome

These guys might also be options:

From MLBTR ---

Jason Giambi (42)
Aubrey Huff (36)
Casey Kotchman (30)
Carlos Lee (37)
Lyle Overbay (36)
Juan Rivera (34)

Of that group, Lee and Rivera are the only appetizing options.