New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

[jcarey]

uh, walker is worth way more than 1 year of granderson.

mariners are an extremely young team witih a target window of 2 or 3 years down the road. they are looking for under 30 guys with high above-average value, so they have a young core that can compete for years to come

Then why did they trade for Morales and sign Ibanez? Do they think they can flip Morales later in the season if he bounces back?

I don't know wth the Mariners and Royals are doing, but there's a chance they really think they can compete this year, for whatever reason. Maybe they'll do something else stupid - can't hurt to ask.

Edit: And they signed Jason Bay and pursued Napoli. And would Justin Upton get resigned? I doubt it. He's only signed through 2015, so right when the Ms are ready (according to you), he's probably peacing out, the year after Felix leaves. I don't see their plan, really, unless Z just wants to make a splash.

[Yankee Fan in Boston]

Then why did they trade for Morales and sign Ibanez? Do they think they can flip Morales later in the season if he bounces back?

I don't know wth the Mariners and Royals are doing, but there's a chance they really think they can compete this year, for whatever reason. Maybe they'll do something else stupid - can't hurt to ask.

Edit: And they signed Jason Bay and pursued Napoli. And would Justin Upton get resigned? I doubt it. He's only signed through 2015, so right when the Ms are ready (according to you), he's probably peacing out, the year after Felix leaves. I don't see their plan, really, unless Z just wants to make a splash.

I don't always understand the Mariners, but I think there's a difference between trying to put a better team on the field in the short term (by signing FAs like Ibanez or Napoli) and trading a major prospect for a guy who is only going to be around for one year. Vargas/Morales was pretty much a wash -- both guys are FAs after 2014.

A core of Montero/Upton/Ackley has some promise, with a rotation headed by Felix and some promising youngsters. And maybe they think if they turn it around, they can resign some of these guys -- they aren't a cash poor team.

All that said, I agree that it's worth the call to inquire if they have an interest -- it just wouldn't surprise me if it didn't go very far.

[jcarey]

I don't always understand the Mariners, but I think there's a difference between trying to put a better team on the field in the short term (by signing FAs like Ibanez or Napoli) and trading a major prospect for a guy who is only going to be around for one year. Vargas/Morales was pretty much a wash -- both guys are FAs after 2014.

A core of Montero/Upton/Ackley has some promise, with a rotation headed by Felix and some promising youngsters. And maybe they think if they turn it around, they can resign some of these guys -- they aren't a cash poor team.

All that said, I agree that it's worth the call to inquire if they have an interest -- it just wouldn't surprise me if it didn't go very far.

To clarify, I don't think the Granderson/Walker idea has much merit - but I'm not sure they wouldn't be interested in Granderson generally.

As for Morales, it would seem to make more sense to trade Vargas for a prospect or two if the plan is to be competitive a few years down the line.

Personally, I don't think they should trade for Granderson, but I don't think that package for Upton made sense either. You're right, it's a promising core, but not one that puts them in serious contention any time soon, especially if they can't retain Upton/Felix.

[awy]

Then why did they trade for Morales and sign Ibanez? Do they think they can flip Morales later in the season if he bounces back?

I don't know wth the Mariners and Royals are doing, but there's a chance they really think they can compete this year, for whatever reason. Maybe they'll do something else stupid - can't hurt to ask.

Edit: And they signed Jason Bay and pursued Napoli. And would Justin Upton get resigned? I doubt it. He's only signed through 2015, so right when the Ms are ready (according to you), he's probably peacing out, the year after Felix leaves. I don't see their plan, really, unless Z just wants to make a splash.

ibanez etc were not that costly. parting with walker requires much heftier strategic return.

teams build up in cycles.

[The FUTURE]

Honestly, after seeing how much they were giving up for Upton, I was merely suggesting we should low ball them an offer. Never said it was a good trade for the M's. I was really looking for people's opinions on whether or not they'd want to see the Yankees sacrifice a key player for the 2013 season in Granderson and risk it on acquiring another young promising arm in Walker.

PS....I'm not trying to make pipe dream trades over here...just trying to get a sense if others would be willing to trade an OF that would be tough to replace his production, this late, for the 2013 season, in order to potentially acquire younger players to rebuild around.

PSS....Id be willing to give them Granderson straight up for walker, haltzen or even Paxson for that matter. Again not saying the M s would do this...that's not the point...

[tranquility]

Curtis Granderson for Taijuan Walker anyone ??

Seattle could probably offer 22-year-old righthander Brandon Maurer, the Southern League Most Outstanding Pitcher in 2012 despite starting the season in the same rotation* as Taijuan Walker, Danny Hultzen and James Paxton:

http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp...=.jsp&sid=l111

Baseball Prospectus, FanGraphs, John Sickels and MLB.com Prospect Watch rank the 6-foot-5 Maurer sixth, seventh, seventh and 11th, respectively, in the loaded Seattle farm system.

* Walker made 25 starts, Maurer 24 starts, Paxton 21 starts and Hultzen 13 starts for the Double A Jackson Generals in 2012

[Mr Coffee]

Ripe for the swooping if Cashman chooses to go for it.

[False1]

Ripe for the swooping if Cashman chooses to go for it.

Yep, if he'd take 1 year overpay from the Yankees they should be all over this. Power RH bat for DH, backup for 1B and a contingency for C or BUC at worst.

[Black Sabbathia]

This is where Hal needs to say, "F it, let's get this guy" the way he did with Soriano a few years ago. This is totally out of Cashman's hands right now.

But yes, I said it here a few days ago, the Red Sox are letting Napoli fall into our lap, and if all it takes is $ and a 1 yr deal that doesn't mess with the 2014 bottom line, get it done

[d32123]

Let's get Napoli! Idgaf if he sucks at catching dat bat is totes delish.

[snapple]

Let's get Napoli! Idgaf if he sucks at catching dat bat is totes delish.

My codebreaker took the weekend off. Any help with this one?

[NelsonMuntz]

I think I'd rather have Morse -- assuming the Nats are not asking for the moon, which could be the case. Between the hip issue and dramatic offensive decline last year I have concerns about Napoli.

[awy]

My codebreaker took the weekend off. Any help with this one?

sign napoli his bat pretty good

[TheInfallibleOne]

sign napoli his bat pretty good

Fire hot tree pretty red sox bad

[Hitman23]

I think I'd rather have Morse -- assuming the Nats are not asking for the moon, which could be the case. Between the hip issue and dramatic offensive decline last year I have concerns about Napoli.

I am a huge fan of getting Morse.

[The FUTURE]

I am a huge fan of getting Morse.

His bat would translate well into Yankee stadium ??

[Jerkface]

His bat would translate well into Yankee stadium ??

He has good opposite field power, so yes. If Russel Martin can hit 20 HRs in NYS, Morse can hit 30+.

[JohnnyDamonfan]

I am a huge fan of getting Morse.

I am too. But, this is a 2 part question.

Question 1: Do we have what it takes to get Morse?

Question 2: Do you wanna take the risk of perhaps getting fleeced for Morse?

[philleotardo]

Question 1: Do we have what it takes to get Morse?

He isn't thought to be a tough get. Defensive liability, coming off a down year, frequently injured, pending FA. Most teams in baseball have what it takes.

[JohnnyDamonfan]

He isn't thought to be a tough get. Defensive liability, coming off a down year, frequently injured, pending FA. Most teams in baseball have what it takes.

Which only leaves Question 2.... We might not get fleeced. But, how much you wanna bet we're gonna regret trading for him when we find out who we may need to give up. If he is that much of a Liability and gets injured that much and is a FA. Why do we need him at any rate trade for him? I'm just curious.

[Jerkface]

Which only leaves Question 2.... We might not get fleeced. But, how much you wanna bet we're gonna regret trading for him when we find out who we may need to give up. If he is that much of a Liability and gets injured that much and is a FA. Why do we need him at any rate trade for him? I'm just curious.

Because its possible he could be got for Boone Logan & a pitching prospect, which is a fine deal. He hits for avg vs both sides and has power both pull & oppo. He is the kind of bat the team sorely needs. The only thing that really diminishes him batting wise is his lack of walks.

[NelsonMuntz]

He isn't thought to be a tough get. Defensive liability, coming off a down year, frequently injured, pending FA. Most teams in baseball have what it takes.

Multiple teams are rumored to be interested in Morse, including the Rays, Mariners, Orioles, and Red Sox. If the Yankees want to land Morse they will probably have to overpay relative to his worth in a vacuum.

[JohnnyDamonfan]

Multiple teams are rumored to be interested in Morse, including the Rays, Mariners, Orioles, and Red Sox. If the Yankees want to land Morse they will probably have to overpay relative to his worth in a vacuum.

This is what worries me. I bet you that the M'S are gonna pick him up. After how much they wanted Upton. I bet you within a week or two Morse will be a Mariner.

[ieddyi]

Ripe for the swooping if Cashman chooses to go for it.

Really, is there any other team in the history of baseball that has had so many contract deals that then take months to finalize?


Sure they want to protect themselves against player injury, but they intentionally drag things out to increase their leverage to squeeze every last bit out of the player/team they're dealing with

Now that they suck and can't even offer good "chemistry" , how long will they get away with that BS ?

[tranquility]

This is what worries me. I bet you that the M'S are gonna pick him up. After how much they wanted Upton. I bet you within a week or two Morse will be a Mariner.

The Seattle Mariners, who realistically are not expected to contend in 2013, would have little interest in a one-year rental of a defensively challenged outfielder who will be 31 years old on Opening Day.

A single one-year rental of Kendrys Morales should suffice.