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  1. #1076

    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    Quote Originally Posted by False1 View Post
    Again I agree that is their POV on the DH, although I don't think it's a good strategy if there are other reasonable options out there that fit short/long term goals. For example, if Berkman could be had on a 1 year deal. Or (unlikely, but can dream) if Napoli could be signed for a reasonable deal he could be primary DH, eliminate the need for BUC and emergency 1B.

    But also agree that RF and Pettitte are much higher priorities and that I wouldn't advocate trading top prospects for a DH.
    I don't think it's optimal to have your primary DH to also act the only BUC. A low cost option as BUC is one I would use in that situation.
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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    Quote Originally Posted by Blazer View Post
    I don't think it's optimal to have your primary DH to also act the only BUC. A low cost option as BUC is one I would use in that situation.
    Why? It frees up a roster spot they can use to carry an extra OF, an extra IF (with an aging IF this isn't trivial) or an extra reliever. If the starting C were to get hurt during a game where the DH is the BUC, let's say you lose 2 AB's. That's really not a trade off if it gives you the extra roster flexibility.

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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

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    Why? It frees up a roster spot they can use to carry an extra OF, an extra IF (with an aging IF this isn't trivial) or an extra reliever. If the starting C were to get hurt during a game where the DH is the BUC, let's say you lose 2 AB's. That's really not a trade off if it gives you the extra roster flexibility.
    That's the reason. If you look back at 2011 the Yanks carried 2 C's in addition to Posada, the FT DH.
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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    Quote Originally Posted by False1 View Post
    Why? It frees up a roster spot they can use to carry an extra OF, an extra IF (with an aging IF this isn't trivial) or an extra reliever. If the starting C were to get hurt during a game where the DH is the BUC, let's say you lose 2 AB's. That's really not a trade off if it gives you the extra roster flexibility.
    i agree that the lost catcher thing is overblown and that the thinking is a holdover from the days when a catcher's very life was at stake every time he crouched back there. how many times last year did our catcher have to be taken out of the game?

    plus, pitchers don't stay in games past the 7th inning anyways. you'd maybe lose one PA
    like delv, but better

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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    Quote Originally Posted by Blazer View Post
    That's the reason. If you look back at 2011 the Yanks carried 2 C's in addition to Posada, the FT DH.
    So what though? It cost you maybe 2 AB in one game if it happens. For that, you save a roster spot all year. Seems like a hell of a good trade off to me.

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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    Quote Originally Posted by Blazer View Post
    That's the reason. If you look back at 2011 the Yanks carried 2 C's in addition to Posada, the FT DH.
    But Posada wasn't the BUC in 2011. They didn't consider him a catcher at all.
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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    I like the idea of Berkman coming back to DH and back up 1st and RF at points in the season.

    Actually now that I'm thinking about it, I'm building that bandwagon.

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    I like the idea of Berkman coming back to DH and back up 1st and RF at points in the season.

    Actually now that I'm thinking about it, I'm building that bandwagon.
    I think I did within the first few pages of this thread.
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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

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    I think I did within the first few pages of this thread.
    And I will continue to ignore it and pretend it was my own original idea!





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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    The Yankees have "renewed (their) longstanding interest" in free agent utility man Jeff Keppinger, reports Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.
    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/1...hovaA1vCuiW.99

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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    Although he is drawing interest from other teams around the league, Ichiro Suzuki prefers to re-sign with the Yankees according to his agent Tony Attanasio. Attanasio told George A. King III of The New York Post that his client is willing to wait to see if New York wants him back after working out new contracts with Mariano Rivera and potentially Andy Pettitte.

    "They are going after pitching first which is what the Yankees normally do," said Attanasio. "There has been a lot of interest [from teams], but he enjoyed playing for the Yankees so much itís hard for him to say no to the Yankees. His preference is to stay there instead of going someplace else, but we will wait and see."
    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/1...ewS7SYDYWv6.99

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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    Just give him 5m with incentives....

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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    The Yankees should re-sign Ichiro and trade Granderson for prospects. Move Gardner to center and sign some other dude to play LF.
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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

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    The Yankees should re-sign Ichiro and trade Granderson for prospects. Move Gardner to center and sign some other dude to play LF.
    I'd then trade granderson to the doddgers for ethier and a prospect

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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    Re-sign Ichiro, Pettitte, Rivera, Ibanez (pinch hitting extraordinaire), and Martin.

    Sign Jeff Keppinger (play 3B, SS, 2B), Scott Hairston (platoon with Gardner), Lance Berkman (DH and backup first), and Dallas Braden (who can compete for the fifth spot with Nova and Phelps).

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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

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    I'd then trade granderson to the doddgers for ethier and a prospect
    You'd be lucky to get 15 homers out of that outfield.

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    You'd be lucky to get 15 homers out of that outfield.
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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    Realistically, if the Yankees can't move him to Miami or Seattle or LA, they have to put Arod at DH for 120+ games. There is no way they can continue to put him at third and expect him to stay healthy, and he's no longer a plus defensively anyway. There is some decent value out there for a productive third baseman. But DH is going to not be a weigh station any longer for them if ARod is still there...he will be primarily a DH and hope he can be decent.

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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    I'm sick of signing old dues that flame out in October

    I want some young hungry wolves
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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

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    I'd then trade granderson to the doddgers for ethier and a prospect
    Gosh I hope not. Either's contract is awful.
    Hoping Rivera can pitch forever!

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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    Quote Originally Posted by Ram Man View Post
    Ichiro can hit home runs any time he wants to.
    That's what they've always said about him. If it's true, someone should have told him years ago that he was doing his team a serious disservice. Me, I don't believe it.
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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    That's what they've always said about him. If it's true, someone should have told him years ago that he was doing his team a serious disservice. Me, I don't believe it.
    Yeah I've always felt that comment was bs as well. I'm sure he could hit more home runs if he tried but so could any player who knows how to make contact well.
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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    Young hungry wolves usually end up dead.

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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    That's what they've always said about him. If it's true, someone should have told him years ago that he was doing his team a serious disservice. Me, I don't believe it.
    I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic. People who believe Ichiro (or Boggs back in the day) can hit homeruns at will are people who think batting practice is just like live pitching.

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