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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    Quote Originally Posted by yankeesrule2000 View Post
    Mike Napoli is interesting, but can he catch 130 games?
    No. I thought the same. But I like to see more Steward and Cervelli. Maybe later Romine. I like it.

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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

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    Yep, I posed this suggestion earlier in the offseason. Retain Martin and sign Napoli.


    '11 was almost certainly an outlier for Napoli, but if he's a 125 OPS+ bat, he does a few things:
    • Provides RH power and OBP at DH and when subbing at C or 1B
    • Eliminates need to carry a Stewart/Cervelli type BUC
    • Allows A-Rod and Jeter to take FULL days off (their bats are no longer so potent that you can't give them breathers, and actually a potentially better bat helps make up for some lost offense via their subs)
    • Allows Girardi to rest Martin more frequently
    • Replaces the emergency 1B function that Swisher provided

    DUMP MARTIN!!! We are not going to win with this guy in our lineup.

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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    I don't see how Napoli is an improvement from Martin - pull his 2011 season from his career numbers and Napoli's 2012 season is still below his adjusted career numbers.

    Napoli has NEVER caught 100 games in a season and his highest GS as a catcher in any season is 84. He simply is not an every day catcher and would certainly be a downgrade defensively from Martin.

    If we are going to spend decent money on a catcher, I would rather Martin than Napoli - personally, because I always like to see a youth movement, I would like to see the Yankees go with Romine and a veteran like Martin.

    If Martin gets a three year offer elsewhere, I can't see the Yankees re-signing him however.
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    They'd better resign Martin.
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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    with romine and sanchez coming through the pipeline, i highly doubt they're doing anything more than just due diligence on napoli and possibly touching base in the event that martin walks

    if the're really working on a budget, their resources would be better used elsewhere
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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    Quote Originally Posted by snapple View Post
    They'd better resign Martin.
    At what price?

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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    Quote Originally Posted by bucky View Post
    No. I thought the same. But I like to see more Steward and Cervelli. Maybe later Romine. I like it.
    Why more Cervelli?
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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    If they are out of the running for Hunter because of the 2014 cap, they will probably end up out of the running for Martin too - and maybe anyone who wants more than a one year contract, it seems. That does not bode well for this year - or next year unless any of the minor leaguers really speed up their progress and Pineda recovers really well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZIM 2002 View Post
    If they are out of the running for Hunter because of the 2014 cap, they will probably end up out of the running for Martin too - and maybe anyone who wants more than a one year contract, it seems. That does not bode well for this year - or next year unless any of the minor leaguers really speed up their progress and Pineda recovers really well!
    What I didn't understand is that the Yankees have to get to $170mm in payroll...not $189mm...in 2014...because about $170mm equates to $189mm after benefits and things are calculated.

    They have $72mm committed to Texiera, Sabathia and A-Rod already for 2014, so they have $98mm to fill out the rest of their roster that year...and that doesn't include the team option for Jeter, which continues to get more expensive given his performance.

    So...I really don't see how they can shop for any significant free agents for the forseeable future and do anything past a one year deal.

    i still say they will try hard find a way to get some relief on ARod...

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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    This may be a dumb question but hypothetically speaking, if the Yankees were to sit down with A-Rod and restructure his contract so his 2014 salary is lowered, with the difference transferred to deferred payments (with interest), would this still count as part of the 2014 payroll?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zimmers' Helmet View Post
    This may be a dumb question but hypothetically speaking, if the Yankees were to sit down with A-Rod and restructure his contract so his 2014 salary is lowered, with the difference transferred to deferred payments (with interest), would this still count as part of the 2014 payroll?
    It's AAV. They'd have to add years at like, 1m/year to really make an impact.
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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    Quote Originally Posted by snapple View Post
    It's AAV. They'd have to add years at like, 1m/year to really make an impact.
    Thanks for clarifying - much appreciated.

    So, as ridiculous as this sounds, does it make sense to give A-Rod and Tex one year extensions at $1 million just to lower the AAV, and therefore help the Yankees get below $189 million for 2014?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zimmers' Helmet View Post
    Thanks for clarifying - much appreciated.

    So, as ridiculous as this sounds, does it make sense to give A-Rod and Tex one year extensions at $1 million just to lower the AAV, and therefore help the Yankees get below $189 million for 2014?
    It would make sense. But I doubt the MLBPU or Selig would let it happen.
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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    Quote Originally Posted by Zimmers' Helmet View Post
    Thanks for clarifying - much appreciated.

    So, as ridiculous as this sounds, does it make sense to give A-Rod and Tex one year extensions at $1 million just to lower the AAV, and therefore help the Yankees get below $189 million for 2014?
    We had this exact discussion last year. I think Joel Sherman even covered it in an article. The consensus was that Selig would squash it.

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    Trade idea that just popped into my head:

    I see the Astros are listening on offers for Jed Lowrie (not wanting to move him, however). As a primary SS and with 83 games at 3B in his career, wouldn't he be perfect as the supersub who could back up all 3 infield spots? Solid defense, solid power, can use the bat well.

    How close would we be to getting a deal done with a Nunez for Lowrie swap?

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapple View Post
    It would make sense. But I doubt the MLBPU or Selig would let it happen.
    Quote Originally Posted by THEBOSS84 View Post
    We had this exact discussion last year. I think Joel Sherman even covered it in an article. The consensus was that Selig would squash it.
    What grounds would Selig and MLBPA have to block it? Selig has best interest of baseball, but that's a stretch.

    If they can let the Red Sox wait out a cutoff date when they signed Gonzalez to that megadeal so they wouldn't have to pay tax, why can't we extend our players for a year at 1 mm if they are willing?

    I think it brings the AAV method into question. I always thought they should use actual dollar figures. That would allow for a lot more salary / tax planning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheInfallibleOne View Post
    What grounds would Selig and MLBPA have to block it? Selig has best interest of baseball, but that's a stretch.

    If they can let the Red Sox wait out a cutoff date when they signed Gonzalez to that megadeal so they wouldn't have to pay tax, why can't we extend our players for a year at 1 mm if they are willing?

    I think it brings the AAV method into question. I always thought they should use actual dollar figures. That would allow for a lot more salary / tax planning.
    If Boston didn't submit the contract paperwork to MLB for its evaluation and approval until after the cutoff date then there is little MLB can do.
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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    Quote Originally Posted by TheInfallibleOne View Post
    What grounds would Selig and MLBPA have to block it? Selig has best interest of baseball, but that's a stretch.

    If they can let the Red Sox wait out a cutoff date when they signed Gonzalez to that megadeal so they wouldn't have to pay tax, why can't we extend our players for a year at 1 mm if they are willing?
    This is a very valid point, although it's clear that Selig has demonstrated a willingness to bend the rules for teams that directly compete with the Yankees.
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    I understand Martin's defensive value and the likelihood that last year's offensive performance was largely a fluke, but I doubt most other teams recognize it. I'd be really surprised if Martin got three years somewhere.

    I like the idea of Napoli rotating in with Martin, but I think the cost will be too steep. I would also have been in favor of Ryan Doumit in a similar role.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jcarey View Post
    I understand Martin's defensive value and the likelihood that last year's offensive performance was largely a fluke, but I doubt most other teams recognize it. I'd be really surprised if Martin got three years somewhere.

    I like the idea of Napoli rotating in with Martin, but I think the cost will be too steep. I would also have been in favor of Ryan Doumit in a similar role.
    Napoli and Martin? Why stop there? Maybe Joe Mauer can back them both up.
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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    What if the Yankees restructured ARod's contract and added 2 years and 12M by guaranteeing the incentives to pass Mays and Ruth on the HR list? It would become 126M over 7 years.

    He's likely to pass both on the list anyway, and his AAV would drop to 18M.

    I doubt the MLBPU would allow Selig to squash a deal that adds 12M of guaranteed money.
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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    Quote Originally Posted by TheInfallibleOne View Post
    Napoli and Martin? Why stop there? Maybe Joe Mauer can back them both up.
    Mauer isn't a FA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gusto View Post
    What if the Yankees restructured ARod's contract and added 2 years and 12M by guaranteeing the incentives to pass Mays and Ruth on the HR list? It would become 126M over 7 years.

    He's likely to pass both on the list anyway, and his AAV would drop to 18M.

    I doubt the MLBPU would allow Selig to squash a deal that adds 12M of guaranteed money.
    I don't think you can mess around with the AAV to avoid the penalites. It would sort of defeat the point.

    I am slightly surprised that the Yankees didn't offer Martin the $13.3 qualifying offer for one year. It wouldn't have touched 2014 if he had accepted it.

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    Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

    Quote Originally Posted by YankeeFan1421 View Post
    I don't think you can mess around with the AAV to avoid the penalites. It would sort of defeat the point.

    I am slightly surprised that the Yankees didn't offer Martin the $13.3 qualifying offer for one year. It wouldn't have touched 2014 if he had accepted it.
    he would have taken it, because he won't get 13.3 on the market, yankees would just be throwing more money at him unnecessarily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dont_ya_know24 View Post
    he would have taken it, because he won't get 13.3 on the market, yankees would just be throwing more money at him unnecessarily.
    I see your point for sure, and obviosly the Yankees agreed, but he's going to get $21mm to $25mm or something over 3 years. the Yankees can't do that I don't think and yet they could have done $13 for 1.

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