New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

[awy]

damn i lose a chance to laugh at the angels

[awy]

ok maybe laugh at the cubs

[Yankees1962]

Don't see why Marmol would decline, it would be his chance to close for a contender.

(Not that I think he should close, but he has that CLOSER EXPERIENCE!!!!!)

Perhaps the Cubs pulled out due to issues with Haren.

[kan_t]

Something must be wrong to Haren.

[flymick24]

It was definitely a salary issue... Marmol was set to make 9 mil, and the angels weren't about to unload haren just to save a couple mil

Haren is a great buy low candidate and I really hope Cash is all over him, especially with the uncertainty surrounding Pineda, Nova, and even Hughes to a ertain extent

[kan_t]

It was definitely a salary issue... Marmol was set to make 9 mil, and the angels weren't about to unload haren just to save a couple mil

Haren is a great buy low candidate and I really hope Cash is all over him, especially with the uncertainty surrounding Pineda, Nova, and even Hughes to a ertain extent

Actually it's the Cubs which pulled off the deal. It says something when the Angels can't trade Haren for Marmol and his $9M contact.

[longtimeyankeefan]

Actually it's the Cubs which pulled off the deal. It says something when the Angels can't trade Haren for Marmol and his $9M contact.

The Cubs would have had to either pay the $3.5M buyout or invest an additional $11.5M in keeping Haren for the 2013 season.

With the back problems that Haren had last season, is he going to get that kind of money in free agency? The Cubs could still sign Haren for less money.

I think the Cubs were smart in this matter.

[dont_ya_know24]

so haren's a free agent. what kind of contract do we think he'll get?

[flymick24]

from a recent interview he did for espnLA, it sounds as if he'd be willing to sign a 1 year deal to re-establish value

i'd take the $14mil we just saved on soriano and throw it at him and see if he bites

[kan_t]

The Cubs would have had to either pay the $3.5M buyout or invest an additional $11.5M in keeping Haren for the 2013 season.

With the back problems that Haren had last season, is he going to get that kind of money in free agency? The Cubs could still sign Haren for less money.

I think the Cubs were smart in this matter.

At the same time the Cubs can unload Marmol $9.8M. So they just basically invest $5M on Haren, and they pulled off.

The deal showed that the Angels were willing to eat as much as $10M and they still couldn't find any taker.

[Yankees1962]

from a recent interview he did for espnLA, it sounds as if he'd be willing to sign a 1 year deal to re-establish value

i'd take the $14mil we just saved on soriano and throw it at him and see if he bites

I'm sorry, but to spend 14M on Haren with his questionable health is stupid in my opinion. There's a reason why he wasn't traded yesterday and it wasn't financial.

[Tom Finnigan]

I'm sorry, but to spend 14M on Haren with his questionable health is stupid in my opinion. There's a reason why he wasn't traded yesterday and it wasn't financial.

I agree although to put things into perspective, Haren with a bad back may still be a better option than half our starters RIGHT NOW (pre FA signings).

[JL25and3]

i'd take the $14mil we just saved on soriano and throw it at him and see if he bites

why would you want to spend $14M on a pitcher who bites?

[Zimmers' Helmet]

why would you want to spend $14M on a pitcher who bites?

Haren bites? The guy struggled through a back strain during the first half of 2012, but finished strong. His splits clearly show this.

He's consistently been one of the best starting pitchers in the game for 7 years, and is far from finished at age 32. I see no reason why he won't bounce back strong in 2013, and he's definitely worth a one year gamble, although I'd offer him a $10 million base salary with incentives that could potentially earn him $14-15 million.

[THEBOSS84]

Haren bites? The guy struggled through a back strain during the first half of 2012, but finished strong. His splits clearly show this.

He's consistently been one of the best starting pitchers in the game for 7 years, and is far from finished at age 32. I see no reason why he won't bounce back strong in 2013, and he's definitely worth a one year gamble, although I'd offer him a $10 million base salary with incentives that could potentially earn him $14-15 million.

I'd offer him 3/30 with lots of incentives.

[NewEraYanks2527]

I'd offer him 3/30 with lots of incentives.

That sounds good. Short length contract that could be higher AAV with all the incentives and maybe a vesting year if he tops 200 innings pitched 2 of the 3 years. I could easily see him slide into the rotation. Get Kuroda back and go with CC, Kuroda, Pettitte (if he wants to come back), Haren, Hughes, Phelps, Nova all in the mix. Then maybe try to get younger at positions by sending Hughes or Nova somewhere in a deal even though Nova's value is very low right now.

[kan_t]

When the Angels shopped him, every teams could get him at $5M-$10M. No team pulled the trigger. No team.

[THEBOSS84]

When the Angels shopped him, every teams could get him at $5M-$10M. No team pulled the trigger. No team.

It's possible that the Angels didn't want to trade him to an AL contender.

[THEBOSS84]

That sounds good. Short length contract that could be higher AAV with all the incentives and maybe a vesting year if he tops 200 innings pitched 2 of the 3 years. I could easily see him slide into the rotation. Get Kuroda back and go with CC, Kuroda, Pettitte (if he wants to come back), Haren, Hughes, Phelps, Nova all in the mix. Then maybe try to get younger at positions by sending Hughes or Nova somewhere in a deal even though Nova's value is very low right now.

I'm on board.

[kan_t]

It's possible that the Angels didn't want to trade him to an AL contender.

Even if it is true, it still means not one NL club wanted to take the chance.

EDIT: They're willing to eat Marmol's $9.8M just for unloading Haren. Basically they just wanted to get something instead of nothing. I doubt they cared about trading him to an AL contender.

[THEBOSS84]

Even if it is true, it still means not one NL club wanted to take the chance.

EDIT: They're willing to eat Marmol's $9.8M just for unloading Haren. Basically they just wanted to get something instead of nothing. I doubt they cared about trading him to an AL contender.

Do we even know why that trade didn't go through? Maybe the Angels realized they rather save $15M than save $5M?

[kan_t]

Do we even know why that trade didn't go through? Maybe the Angels realized they rather save $15M than save $5M?

All the sources reported that it's the Cubs which pulled out.

[JL25and3]

Haren bites?.

That was flymick's idea, not mine.

[spikeowenfan]

If the Angels were willing to trade Haren for Marmol and if the Cubs weren't willing to spend 5 million on him, I have to think that he is injured.

[THEBOSS84]

All the sources reported that it's the Cubs which pulled out.

Because of $ perhaps. They didn't want to send the LAA cash along with Marmol.