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    Playoff scenario

    Been trying to figure this out with how crazy the games are this week.

    Yankees win tonight Baltimore plays the WC game on Friday.

    Yankees lose + Balt. wins, Baltimore and Yanks have to play on tomorrow, loser plays Friday, and then they WC winner gets the first two games at home for the ALDS. So in this scenario the teams would blow through pitchers on two sudden death games, Thursday & Friday

    Would Baltimore just throw tonights game, knowing they would get a day off and then only need to play one game on Friday and then get the first two games of the ALDS at home in Camden Yards.

    Is this that crazy
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    Re: Playoff scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by waterdr View Post
    Been trying to figure this out with how crazy the games are this week.

    Yankees win tonight Baltimore plays the WC game on Friday.

    Yankees lose + Balt. wins, Baltimore and Yanks have to play on tomorrow, loser plays Friday, and then they WC winner gets the first two games at home for the ALDS. So in this scenario the teams would blow through pitchers on two sudden death games, Thursday & Friday

    Would Baltimore just throw tonights game, knowing they would get a day off and then only need to play one game on Friday and then get the first two games of the ALDS at home in Camden Yards.

    Is this that crazy
    Yes, that's crazy haha. Because the hope is to avoid the one-game do-or-die. The O's don't want to subject their entire season to a 1-game toss-up. So, they're going balls to the wall tonight and hoping Matsuzaka somehow pitches his best game of the year.

    It's not like they automatically win that wild card game. They could lose that thing (Both Texas and Oakland are good, and Oakland has gone 67-33 in its last 100 games, so those are two teams I don't really want to face right now). They want the division.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ZYanksRule View Post
    Yes, that's crazy haha. Because the hope is to avoid the one-game do-or-die. The O's don't want to subject their entire season to a 1-game toss-up. So, they're going balls to the wall tonight and hoping Matsuzaka somehow pitches his best game of the year.

    It's not like they automatically win that wild card game. They could lose that thing (Both Texas and Oakland are good, and Oakland has gone 67-33 in its last 100 games, so those are two teams I don't really want to face right now). They want the division.
    Even to win the Division they would first need to beat the Yanks in a playoff game tomorrow and then go on the road to play the first two ALDS games.
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    How about this scenario?


    Yankees and Oakland BOTH wins tonight game - they will have the same identical records (overall and versus each other) - what is the next tie breaker to determine the number 1 seed in the AL?

    One possible solution - one game playoff!

    Now how mess up would that be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by yankeesfanatic View Post
    How about this scenario?


    Yankees and Oakland BOTH wins tonight game - they will have the same identical records (overall and versus each other) - what is the next tie breaker to determine the number 1 seed in the AL?

    One possible solution - one game playoff!

    Now how mess up would that be?
    Look at the standings. The Yankees are 1 game ahead of Oakland.

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    Re: Playoff scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by yankeesfanatic View Post
    How about this scenario?


    Yankees and Oakland BOTH wins tonight game - they will have the same identical records (overall and versus each other) - what is the next tie breaker to determine the number 1 seed in the AL?

    One possible solution - one game playoff!

    Now how mess up would that be?
    Had the Yankees and A's ended up tied the A's would get the #1 seed based on better record against AL teams. But the Yankees are one game ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yankeesfanatic View Post
    How about this scenario?


    Yankees and Oakland BOTH wins tonight game - they will have the same identical records (overall and versus each other) - what is the next tie breaker to determine the number 1 seed in the AL?

    One possible solution - one game playoff!

    Now how mess up would that be?
    they dont play a 1 game playoff to determine home field advantage for ALCS. Only for Division vs Wildcard (like possible Yankees/Orioles) or 2 teams fighting for 1 division title (wont happen this year). regular tie breaking procedure for home field advantage

    A's hold tiebreaker over Yankees for seeding if they win West Division and have same record as Yanks

    Yanks hold tiebreaker over Texas for seeding if Texas wins West and have same record as Yanks

    one of the above scenarios would come into play if both the Yanks and O's lose tonight. Othewise,the Yankees are the#1 seed for the playoffs

    What I'm not sure about is if the Wild card winner wins the ALDS and has a better record then the other ALDS winner - who gets home field? I would assume the higher seed regardless of record

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldandintheway View Post

    Holy ................niz.

    Where is playoff lawyer when you need one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldandintheway View Post
    That made my head hurt. Why did they not take into account day vs night games, or home attendance, or even a coin flip.
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    I wish they didn't add the 2nd WC. Everyone is confused - well not everyone but a lot of people are....

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    Re: Playoff scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by yankeesfanatic View Post
    How about this scenario?


    Yankees and Oakland BOTH wins tonight game - they will have the same identical records (overall and versus each other) - what is the next tie breaker to determine the number 1 seed in the AL?

    One possible solution - one game playoff!

    Now how mess up would that be?
    Yankees are 1 game up, but if this theoretically did happen, the next tiebreaker is record against the division... I am not sure if that is NYY against the AL West and Oak vs the AL East or NYY vs the AL East and OAK vs the AL West. Either case, Oakland won the tiebreaker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yankeesrule View Post
    Yankees are 1 game up, but if this theoretically did happen, the next tiebreaker is record against the division... I am not sure if that is NYY against the AL West and Oak vs the AL East or NYY vs the AL East and OAK vs the AL West. Either case, Oakland won the tiebreaker.
    It's within your own division, so it's Oakland vs. the west compared to us vs the east. Which seems like a wierd way to compare two teams, but it is what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Mxylsplk View Post
    It's within your own division, so it's Oakland vs. the west compared to us vs the east. Which seems like a wierd way to compare two teams, but it is what it is.
    Yeah that doesn't make sense for the wild card because you play so many games against the same division, that for example, if the Yankees were second place in a division that Oakland were way below .500 when playing, wouldn't that theoretically make the Yankees the better team?

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    Re: Playoff scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by waterdr View Post
    Been trying to figure this out with how crazy the games are this week.

    Yankees win tonight Baltimore plays the WC game on Friday.

    Yankees lose + Balt. wins, Baltimore and Yanks have to play on tomorrow, loser plays Friday, and then they WC winner gets the first two games at home for the ALDS. So in this scenario the teams would blow through pitchers on two sudden death games, Thursday & Friday

    Would Baltimore just throw tonights game, knowing they would get a day off and then only need to play one game on Friday and then get the first two games of the ALDS at home in Camden Yards.

    Is this that crazy
    Right now Baltimore, Oakland, and Texas have the same record. If Baltimore loses they would have the same record as the other wild card team since Oak and Texas play each other tonight. Baltimore loses the HTH tiebreaker with both teams, so if Baltimore loses tonight they go on the road to play the wild card game. If Baltimore wins they'll finish one game ahead of the other WC team, so by winning tonight their worst case scenario is hosting the wild card game.
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    Yankees can make this real easy by winning tonight and locking up the #1 seed. Yes it would suck to have to start the ALDS in Oakland but they would get 3 days off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yankeesrule View Post
    Yeah that doesn't make sense for the wild card because you play so many games against the same division, that for example, if the Yankees were second place in a division that Oakland were way below .500 when playing, wouldn't that theoretically make the Yankees the better team?
    This rule is a definite head-scratcher. The only explanation I have, and I wish I had a better one, is that it is typical Selig conspiracy against the New York/Boston (I know, not this year) axis of evil as it favors teams in crappy divisions. But what other rational explanation is there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldandintheway View Post
    Thank you for that link. It helps clear up some confusion.

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    Re: Playoff scenario

    File this under way too much time on my hands, but here's all the scenarios for today concerning the Yankees:

    Yankees win, O's win, Texas win: NY plays at BAL/OAK winner on Sunday
    Yankees win, O's win, Oakland win: NY plays at BAL/TEX winner on Sunday
    Yankees win, O's lose, Texas win: NY plays at BAL/OAK winner on Sunday
    Yankees win, O's lose, Oakland win: NY plays at BAL/TEX winner on Sunday

    Yankees lose, O's win, Texas win: NY at Baltimore for the East. If Yankees win the East they get #1 seed due the HTH tiebreaker (4-3) over Texas and will play at OAK/BAL on Sunday. If Yankees lose AL East playoff, host OAK in wild card game on Friday. If NY wins the wild card game they would next play at home vs. Texas on Sunday.

    Yankees lose, O's win, Oakland win: NY at BAL Thursday. If AL East champs NY will get the #2 seed due to Oakland's better intradivsion record (.579 to .556) and the Yankees play at DET on Saturday. If NY is the wild card they will host TEX on Friday and if victorious will host OAK on Sunday.

    Yankees lose, O's lose, Texas win: Yankees AL East champs and win tiebreaker with TEX for #1 seed and will play at BAL/OAK on Sunday.

    Yankees lose, O's lose, Oakland win: Yankees AL East champs and lose tiebreaker with OAK. NY gets the #2 seed and plays at DET on Saturday.
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    Re: Playoff scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by BourbonMan View Post
    they dont play a 1 game playoff to determine home field advantage for ALCS. Only for Division vs Wildcard (like possible Yankees/Orioles) or 2 teams fighting for 1 division title (wont happen this year). regular tie breaking procedure for home field advantage

    A's hold tiebreaker over Yankees for seeding if they win West Division and have same record as Yanks

    Yanks hold tiebreaker over Texas for seeding if Texas wins West and have same record as Yanks

    one of the above scenarios would come into play if both the Yanks and O's lose tonight. Othewise,the Yankees are the#1 seed for the playoffs

    What I'm not sure about is if the Wild card winner wins the ALDS and has a better record then the other ALDS winner - who gets home field? I would assume the higher seed regardless of record
    The WC winner never gets HFA except in the WS if it's league won the AS game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kirbivore View Post
    File this under way too much time on my hands, but here's all the scenarios for today concerning the Yankees:

    Yankees win, O's win, Texas win: NY plays at BAL/OAK winner on Sunday
    Yankees win, O's win, Oakland win: NY plays at BAL/TEX winner on Sunday
    Yankees win, O's lose, Texas win: NY plays at BAL/OAK winner on Sunday
    Yankees win, O's lose, Oakland win: NY plays at BAL/TEX winner on Sunday

    Yankees lose, O's win, Texas win: NY at Baltimore for the East. If Yankees win the East they get #1 seed due the HTH tiebreaker (4-3) over Texas and will play at OAK/BAL on Sunday. If Yankees lose AL East playoff, host OAK in wild card game on Friday. If NY wins the wild card game they would next play at home vs. Texas on Sunday.

    Yankees lose, O's win, Oakland win: NY at BAL Thursday. If AL East champs NY will get the #2 seed due to Oakland's better intradivsion record (.579 to .556) and the Yankees play at DET on Saturday. If NY is the wild card they will host TEX on Friday and if victorious will host OAK on Sunday.

    Yankees lose, O's lose, Texas win: Yankees AL East champs and win tiebreaker with TEX for #1 seed and will play at BAL/OAK on Sunday.

    Yankees lose, O's lose, Oakland win: Yankees AL East champs and lose tiebreaker with OAK. NY gets the #2 seed and plays at DET on Saturday.
    Looks accurate except if it is Yanks/A's in the WC. that game would be in Oakland as Oakland has better head to head with Yanks this year

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    Quote Originally Posted by ymike673 View Post
    The WC winner never gets HFA except in the WS if it's league won the AS game.
    Yea ... i was confused for a minute there cus he has us playing @ WC
    winner when in fact if we win today we win HFA throughout the DS and CS.
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    This would all be a lot simpler if home field in the league playoffs were determined by the performance of your representative in the HR derby (or if no one from you team is in the derby, by the performance of the player from the team geographically closest to your city). Plus, then everything about the all-star break would count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abe Frohman View Post
    Yea ... i was confused for a minute there cus he has us playing @ WC
    winner when in fact if we win today we win HFA throughout the DS and CS.
    If we win today the first two games are at the WC team and next three at home, would not want to have to play two in Camden Yards, Arlington, or Oakland first and then come back home in a DS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by waterdr View Post
    If we win today the first two games are at the WC team and next three at home, would not want to have to play two in Camden Yards, Arlington, or Oakland first and then come back home in a DS.
    That blows ...

    wats the point of HFA if we open on the road ?

    You could wind up down 0 - 2 playing for your life @ your first home game.
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