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    2012 MVP Race

    I think it's time to start one.

    AL

    Robinson Cano
    151 OPS+, 152 wRC+, 4.3 fWAR, 4.2 bWAR

    Josh Hamilton
    161 OPS+, 162 wRC+, 2.8 fWAR, 3.2 bWAR

    Mike Trout
    168 OPS+, 172 wRC+, 4.8 fWAR, 4.6 bWAR

    Honorable Mention

    Austin Jackson
    Mark Trumbo
    Jose Bautista

    NL

    Joey Votto
    186 OPS+, 186 wRC+, 5.0 fWAR, 4.5 bWAR

    Andrew McCutchen
    185 OPS+, 180 wRC+, 4.5 fWAR, 4.4 bWAR

    David Wright
    177 OPS+, 169 wRC+, 4.9 fWAR, 4.7 bWAR

    Honorable Mention

    Ryan Braun
    Melky Cabrera
    Matt Holliday

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    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t View Post
    I think it's time to start one.

    AL

    Robinson Cano
    151 OPS+, 152 wRC+, 4.3 fWAR, 4.2 bWAR

    Josh Hamilton
    161 OPS+, 162 wRC+, 2.8 fWAR, 3.2 bWAR

    Mike Trout
    168 OPS+, 172 wRC+, 4.8 fWAR, 4.6 bWAR

    Honorable Mention

    Austin Jackson
    Mark Trumbo
    Jose Bautista

    NL

    Joey Votto
    186 OPS+, 186 wRC+, 5.0 fWAR, 4.5 bWAR

    Andrew McCutchen
    185 OPS+, 180 wRC+, 4.5 fWAR, 4.4 bWAR

    David Wright
    177 OPS+, 169 wRC+, 4.9 fWAR, 4.7 bWAR

    Honorable Mention

    Ryan Braun
    Melky Cabrera
    Matt Holliday
    Trout and McCutchen right now because of the positions they play.

    I imagine Trout will fall out of contention (Cano wins), and Votto will probably edge out McCutchen.

    Cano
    Bautista
    Hamilton

    Votto
    McCutchen
    Braun


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    Re: 2012 MVP Race

    If Pirates are still NL Central title contender in September, McCutchen will be a lock to win it IMO.

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    McCutchen is gonna ride the hype train to the MVP if the Pirates make the playoffs. Not that it'd be undeserving or anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t View Post
    If Pirates are still NL Central title contender in September, McCutchen will be a lock to win it IMO.
    Which would be understandable....


    ....if Votto starts to slip. Votto has been INSANE this season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snapple View Post
    Which would be understandable....


    ....if Votto starts to slip. Votto has been INSANE this season.
    A Gold Glove CF who has a 185 OPS+ is just as insane.

    Votto, a 1B, has a 186 OPS+.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapple View Post
    Which would be understandable....


    ....if Votto starts to slip. Votto has been INSANE this season.
    I don't think Votto needs to slip. Their offensiveseasons are very even as is, but McCutcen is a centerfielder and Votto is a firstbaseman.

    Votto: .348 / .471 / .617 (1.087), 186 OPS+, 35 2B, 0 3B, 14 HR, 48 RBI, 5 SB, 3 CS
    McCutchen: .362 / .414 / .625 (1.039), 185 OPS+, 17 2B, 5 3B, 18 HR, 50 RBI, 14 SB, 4 CS

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    I'm not saying Cutch is playing that bad and Votto needs to slip a lot. I think Votto is having the better season.

    But, really, Cutch is the Pirates offense. I retract my initial post.
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    Re: 2012 MVP Race

    I think it's early to be discussing this, because half a season's stats can change pretty drastically. I do also think that Votto's much more likely to be able to sustain something like this level of performance than McCutcheon is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    I think it's early to be discussing this, because half a season's stats can change pretty drastically. I do also think that Votto's much more likely to be able to sustain something like this level of performance than McCutcheon is.
    Agree with this. Both the .407 BABIP and the .625 SLG% are bound to fall quite a bit for McCutchen.

    Votto's BABIP and SLG% are nearly identical, but he has a better eye and more natural power. The likely regression won't hit him as hard.

    And no way Trout keeps this up. Stupid Angels.


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    I am rooting for


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    Quote Originally Posted by grizy View Post
    I am rooting for

    Randy Bass? Steve Gefilte?
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    Re: 2012 MVP Race

    Tim Salmon
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    the rest is just details.

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    Mike Carp? Catfish Hunter?

    No, this appears to be some sort of angelfish.


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    holy ................ trout is really good
    always reasonable

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    Re: 2012 MVP Race

    As much as I want Cano, I think Hamilton has it wrapped up in the AL
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    Quote Originally Posted by BronxYanks45 View Post
    As much as I want Cano, I think Hamilton has it wrapped up in the AL
    there is literally no one like Cano at his position, though.
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    Re: 2012 MVP Race

    Trout's going to get it. His story and production is too good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEBOSS84 View Post
    Trout's going to get it. His story and production is too good.
    If he keeps it up, no doubt.

    But MVPs are rarely won at the ASB, they are often won or lost in September.
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    the rest is just details.

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    Re: 2012 MVP Race

    Quote Originally Posted by BronxYanks45 View Post
    As much as I want Cano, I think Hamilton has it wrapped up in the AL
    Quote Originally Posted by THEBOSS84 View Post
    Trout's going to get it. His story and production is too good.
    Quote Originally Posted by snapple View Post
    there is literally no one like Cano at his position, though.
    A lot of these things get decided in the second half. If the Yankees cruise to the division title, or the Angels surge ahead of the Rangers, or some other major change occurs, it's going to affect the voting.

    Edit: Agree with YT. You can put yourself in position in the first half, but you can't really win it.
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    Re: 2012 MVP Race

    What I meant is, if the season ended today, Trout's a lock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEBOSS84 View Post
    What I meant is, if the season ended today, Trout's a lock.
    Probably, but would be a pretty close vote with Hamilton.
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    Cano has litterally no chance unless he destroys the competition. Even then, it will be a very close vote because he is on the Yankees.

    I would bet that Cano will deserve to be in contention with almost similar numbers to whomever wins but he won't get even close to the amount of votes anyone else would.

    My guess is Hamilton wins, he plays in a hitters dream, team is great, should make the playoffs, should be popular in the news (but he won't get the his team is good /spends money so lets discount his numbers), the media loves him and his story.
    You know they are not real pies, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoux101 View Post
    Cano has litterally no chance unless he destroys the competition. Even then, it will be a very close vote because he is on the Yankees.

    I would bet that Cano will deserve to be in contention with almost similar numbers to whomever wins but he won't get even close to the amount of votes anyone else would.

    My guess is Hamilton wins, he plays in a hitters dream, team is great, should make the playoffs, should be popular in the news (but he won't get the his team is good /spends money so lets discount his numbers), the media loves him and his story.
    I think your point is that Arlington will help him avoid extended slumps and keep him in contention even when he's not seeing the ball well, but Pedroia's MVP campaign has jaded me and I was curious...so I looked up his splits:

    Home: .940 OPS
    Away: 1.042 OPS

    I wonder what the highest OPS for away games over the course of a season is. That's incredible.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jcarey View Post
    I think your point is that Arlington will help him avoid extended slumps and keep him in contention even when he's not seeing the ball well, but Pedroia's MVP campaign has jaded me and I was curious...so I looked up his splits:

    Home: .940 OPS
    Away: 1.042 OPS

    I wonder what the highest OPS for away games over the course of a season is. That's incredible.
    I don't know if this is the record or not, but in 2002, Barry Bonds had a road OPS of 1.438.
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