View Poll Results: Strikeout bonus proposal

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  • Reduce strikeout award to 0.5

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  1. #1
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    Pitching change proposal #1 - K bonus

    Currently pitchers get awarded 1 point per strike out. Are you in favor of reducing this to .5 points, or leaving as is?
    Boo for trading Prado.

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    Re: Pitching change proposal #1 - K bonus

    Voted for the change, of course!

    1) Strikeouts are over-valued for a points league at +1. Their real value is +0.25, so this is a compromise of their real vs fantasy value
    2) This one change will close the gap between the average pitcher and the average hitter from 95-100 points over a season, to about 15-17.

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    Re: Pitching change proposal #1 - K bonus

    Obviously, I voted No. I'm all for reducing the disparity between pitching and hitting, but I would prefer to do that by reducing W/QS points, rather than K points, the only stat that truly differentiates dominating pitchers from the rest of the pack.

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    Re: Pitching change proposal #1 - K bonus

    So is Nolan Ryan the most dominant pitcher of all time because he has the most strikeouts?
    Or is Nolan Ryan the most erratic pitcher of all time because he issued the most walks?

    There's the ability to "miss bats" in a positive way (K's) and a negative way (BBI)

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    Re: Pitching change proposal #1 - K bonus

    One other point...if I have Johnny Cueto facing Michael Morse, it is advantageous for Cueto to get the K, because he will get +2 for the K, while I only lose -0.5 for the batter K, a difference of +1.5 points. Dropping the K bonus to 0.5 will neutralize the pitcher vs batter situation, where Cueto striking out Morse would only be a +1 for my team -- the equivalent of an out.

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    Re: Pitching change proposal #1 - K bonus

    No, leave it as it is!

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    Re: Pitching change proposal #1 - K bonus

    If you vote to leave it as it is (which is of course, your prerogative) i am curious...do you have another plan that would address the 100 point differential between the average pitcher and the average hitter? Or are you also happy with this being a pitching dominant league?

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    Re: Pitching change proposal #1 - K bonus

    I view this issue how I view real baseball, in that, I simply do not care if a pitcher strikes out a batter, so long as the out is made I'm happy. Additionally, a ground ball with a runner on first is more desirable than a strike out due to the opportunity for a double play. That said, there are still instances where a strikeout is beneficial; but in MOST instances the out is what is the most important, not the K. We're also not talking about completely eliminating the K bonus, just reducing it to a more reasonable level.

    Really, ask yourself this: What's a more dominant performance? A Perfect Game with 6 K (a la Buerhle) or a Perfect Game with 14 K (a la Cain)? In my mind there is no difference, both were absolutely dominant performances, one just happened to throw more pitches (9 more) and got more strikeouts.

    For the other stats we've been discussing, W, QS, SO, CG; they are 5 pts each; but the frequency at which they occur do not necessarily indicate they are the cause of the disparity. I'm ok with reducing each of the above stats; but in my mind the strikeout bonus is the most effective way not only to reduce the disparity between SP & hitters, but also to more accurately reflect my values in a real baseball game, the goal is to get an out, everything else falls in place after that.

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    Re: Pitching change proposal #1 - K bonus

    I'm at a complete deadlock here. I have no idea how to vote. On one hand my argument in the thread stands and on the other this helps the disparity probably most effectively.

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    Re: Pitching change proposal #1 - K bonus

    Hey has anyone run a report to see the impact on the scoring change? I think that may help me make the decision.

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    Re: Pitching change proposal #1 - K bonus

    This is all K's per team YTD






















    Babe's Blasts634317
    Bad Apples515257.5
    Boras's Holdouts731365.5
    Carolina Force518259
    Evil Empire648324
    Guys with Ligers720360
    Guys with Wood528264
    Larrupin' Lou's524262
    Michigan Wolverines689344.5
    Miko's Marauders674337
    Port City Yankees539269.5
    Rhode Kill559279.5
    Rodents of Unusual Size554277
    Romanian Yankees618309
    Saxmania's Legends597298.5
    Springfield Nuclear Powerplant561280.5
    Stubborn Jalapenos588294
    Team of Extraordinary Gentlemen561280.5
    The Lumberjacks560280
    Those Magnificent Men In Their Resurgent Stirrups519259.5

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    Re: Pitching change proposal #1 - K bonus

    Quote Originally Posted by ruthianblast View Post
    This is all K's per team YTD




















    Babe's Blasts634317
    Bad Apples515257.5
    Boras's Holdouts731365.5
    Carolina Force518259
    Evil Empire648324
    Guys with Ligers720360
    Guys with Wood528264
    Larrupin' Lou's524262
    Michigan Wolverines689344.5
    Miko's Marauders674337
    Port City Yankees539269.5
    Rhode Kill559279.5
    Rodents of Unusual Size554277
    Romanian Yankees618309
    Saxmania's Legends597298.5
    Springfield Nuclear Powerplant561280.5
    Stubborn Jalapenos588294
    Team of Extraordinary Gentlemen561280.5
    The Lumberjacks560280
    Those Magnificent Men In Their Resurgent Stirrups519259.5
    This is not correct. You used "MLB" stats. You need to use Fantasy stats.

    MLB stats are a player's real-life stats. It includes the times a player has been on our bench.
    Fantasy stats include only the stats accumulated while on our active roster.

    See below for correct stats:

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    Re: Pitching change proposal #1 - K bonus

    Stats using FANTASY stats
    Team K FPTS
    Babe's Blasts 496 248
    Bad Apples 428 214
    Boras's Holdouts 475 237.5
    Carolina Force 483 241.5
    Evil Empire 451 225.5
    Guys with Ligers 480 240
    Guys with Wood 430 215
    Larrupin' Lou's 449 224.5
    Michigan Wolverines 517 258.5
    Miko's Marauders 474 237
    Port City Yankees 487 243.5
    Rhode Kill 491 245.5
    Rodents of Unusual Size 525 262.5
    Romanian Yankees 513 256.5
    Saxmania's Legends 443 221.5
    Springfield Nuclear Powerplant 460 230
    Stubborn Jalapenos 452 226
    Team of Extraordinary Gentlemen 453 226.5
    The Lumberjacks 486 243
    Those Magnificent Men In Their Resurgent Stirrups 516 258

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    Re: Pitching change proposal #1 - K bonus

    Quote Originally Posted by Big_E View Post
    If you vote to leave it as it is (which is of course, your prerogative) i am curious...do you have another plan that would address the 100 point differential between the average pitcher and the average hitter? Or are you also happy with this being a pitching dominant league?
    Seriously, I am going to just ignore these polls for changes......my head hurts....everything becomes a debate.

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    Re: Pitching change proposal #1 - K bonus

    Quote Originally Posted by miko View Post
    Seriously, I am going to just ignore these polls for changes......my head hurts....everything becomes a debate.
    You don't have to comment but I'd appreciate it if you did vote. We have enough people that ignore the polls.

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    Re: Pitching change proposal #1 - K bonus

    He did vote..he was one who voted against it early...

    Which I would still like to know, not from him but from anyone who votes against it:

    If you vote to leave it as it is (which is of course, your prerogative) i am curious...do you have another plan that would address the 100 point differential between the average pitcher and the average hitter? Or are you also happy with this being a pitching dominant league?

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    Re: Pitching change proposal #1 - K bonus

    Can we lock people's accounts at sportsline until people vote? This should not take weeks for people to vote.

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    Re: Pitching change proposal #1 - K bonus

    Vote Vote Vote blah blah blah....

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    Re: Pitching change proposal #1 - K bonus

    Quote Originally Posted by Big_E View Post
    Can we lock people's accounts at sportsline until people vote? This should not take weeks for people to vote.
    We all know you really want this change, but that would be a step too far. People have the right to abstain from voting, you know.

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    Re: Pitching change proposal #1 - K bonus

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisRo View Post
    We all know you really want this change, but that would be a step too far. People have the right to abstain from voting, you know.
    I actually disagree with this. We all have a stake in this league and pay for the privilege to be in it. I think it's important for every owner to make their vote known and to explain their reasoning for the rest of this. In a trade scenario, I agree with you, but this is a fairly large continuing change that affects all teams and not equally.

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    Re: Pitching change proposal #1 - K bonus

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisRo View Post
    We all know you really want this change, but that would be a step too far. People have the right to abstain from voting, you know.
    No they don't. The rules say that we need 65% of the league to vote to approve a rule change. So if 5 people vote and it's 5-0, doesn't pass. If you're against it, vote against it. But we need active owners, and if you don't want to participate, then drop out, we have a long list of people waiting to join. There is no reason that 45% of the league is not voicing an opinion on a major change to the league. Being in a league is more than logging in once a week to check your lineup.

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    Re: Pitching change proposal #1 - K bonus

    I don't think I agree with locking people's accounts however if we do change the by laws to reflect a percentage of the people who vote instead of the league. I feel if you don't take the time to vote (which I completely agree is a responsibility in this league) then you lose the right to complain if something changes. RB is correct, we all have a stake in this league and it is a privilege to be in it.

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    Re: Pitching change proposal #1 - K bonus

    Hey just to be clear, I haven't voted because I'm still not sure. I will though, I'm just taking this one very seriously. I'm a fan of the K bonus but at the same time this actually may solve our problem pretty easily.

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    Re: Pitching change proposal #1 - K bonus

    I was joking about locking peoples accounts, but it would sure get their attention!

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    Re: Pitching change proposal #1 - K bonus

    Quote Originally Posted by Big_E View Post
    He did vote..he was one who voted against it early...
    Oh I know. But his statement after that I didn't like. I don't want him to stop voting on important league matters.

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