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    Tends to be difficult JL25and3's Avatar
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    Re: Clemens Not Guilty on ALL Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by ChinMusic View Post
    You wouldnt even convict a hot dob.
    Funny, in another thread I was told I was unfair in believing that someone probably did something bad - purely as a personal opinion - without his having been proven guilty.

    Perhaps you're right, though, perhaps I wouldn't convict a hot dob. But if I were on a grand jury, I'd probably vote to indict a ham sandwich.

    Quote Originally Posted by jlw1980 View Post
    Not necessarily. "Reasonable doubt" doesn't mean that you have to be 100% certain that he did it to vote him guilty. It's not the same thing as having zero doubt as to his guilt. I have been corrected on this point many times when watching crime shows.
    Yes, Jenn, I know what "reasonable doubt" means. "I think he probably did it" falls far short of that standard.
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    Re: Clemens Not Guilty on ALL Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    Yes, Jenn, I know what "reasonable doubt" means.
    Just making sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlw1980 View Post
    Just making sure.
    You're a reasonable doubt.
    A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.
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    Re: Clemens Not Guilty on ALL Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    You're a reasonable doubt.
    Why, thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BennyTheJetRodriguez View Post
    Really scary that alleged steroid use gets all this attention, and nobody even seems to remember that he also allegedly had an affair with a 15 year old.
    And that is the reason my handle is no longer "GoRocket".
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    Quote Originally Posted by BennyTheJetRodriguez View Post
    Really scary that alleged steroid use gets all this attention, and nobody even seems to remember that he also allegedly had an affair with a 15 year old.
    Clemens seems a D-bag but if I'm not mistaken but while they met when she was 15, the sex didn't start until later after she turned 18 when her music career took off based on what McCreedy has said and Clemens I think denies it was ever sexual.
    Baseball is life;
    the rest is just details.

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    Re: Clemens Not Guilty on ALL Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by jcarey View Post
    Anxiously awaiting for Mr. Coffee's acquit liner for this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlw1980 View Post
    Why, thank you.
    Don't be too proud. All that means is that I think you probably did it.
    A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.
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    Re: Clemens Not Guilty on ALL Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    Don't be too proud. All that means is that I think you probably did it.
    ...
    "The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it."
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    Re: Clemens Not Guilty on ALL Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by jl25and3 View Post
    you're a reasonable doubt.
    burn!

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    Re: Clemens Not Guilty on ALL Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Coffee View Post
    If the hymen ain't split...


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    Re: Clemens Not Guilty on ALL Charges

    I was wondering if he still had the Roger Clemens Foundation going and he does.

    http://www.rogerclemensonline.com/new/news22.htm (looks inactive...)

    On that site is one his wife has....the first picture of the woman on the R - wow, botox/lip enhancements much?

    http://www.debbieclemens.com/home.php

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    Re: Clemens Not Guilty on ALL Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by 4bronxbombers View Post
    I was wondering if he still had the Roger Clemens Foundation going and he does.

    http://www.rogerclemensonline.com/new/news22.htm (looks inactive...)

    On that site is one his wife has....the first picture of the woman on the R - wow, botox/lip enhancements much?

    http://www.debbieclemens.com/home.php
    not sure which woman because it seemed to be a slide show going...his wife has held up pretty well...I don't know how she stays with him at this point though...obviously there may be other factors but it was a very young girl and it went on a long time...
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    Re: Clemens Not Guilty on ALL Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Coffee View Post
    If the hymen ain't split...
    .....



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    Re: Clemens Not Guilty on ALL Charges

    Twenty Seven and Counting.

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    Re: Clemens Not Guilty on ALL Charges

    "Cheaters? Does a test count when you get busted for cheating on a test. No and neither should steroids. There is no place for them in the Hall of Fame."

    With all this said, Gossage admitted he "probably would have" taken performance-enhancing drugs if the circumstances and timing of his career and the steroid era had been different.

    "I probably would have," Gossage said. "Steroids weren't a part of the game when I was playing. Toward the end, we wondered what was going on. We knew something was going on. Absolutely, I probably would have.

    "The peer pressure is what is so dangerous about steroids. It is affecting our kids in high school and into college. These things are bad for you and they have got to get rid of them. If you are lying, shame on you."
    http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/stor...long-hall-fame

    It's funny.

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    Re: Clemens Not Guilty on ALL Charges

    Goose was a great pitcher, but it's so embarrassing to hear him discuss absolutely anything.

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    Re: Clemens Not Guilty on ALL Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by RenoHightower View Post
    Goose was a great pitcher, but it's so embarrassing to hear him discuss absolutely anything.
    It's almost like he's trying to take over the Bob Feller Defender of Baseball Tradition/Moral High Horse/Head Curmudgeon role. Goose ain't Bob Feller, and he's got no business trying.
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    Re: Clemens Not Guilty on ALL Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    It's almost like he's trying to take over the Bob Feller Defender of Baseball Tradition/Moral High Horse/Head Curmudgeon role. Goose ain't Bob Feller, and he's got no business trying.
    Either that, or he's a dumb jock who probably shouldn't be trying to think so hard.

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