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08-08-12 08:41 AM #1676
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"Leave it to Yankees fans to be upset at having too many great players.”—Hitman23
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08-08-12 08:42 AM #1677
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08-08-12 09:58 AM #1678
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08-08-12 10:02 AM #1679
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A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.- Barry Manilow
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08-08-12 10:46 AM #1680
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CC always does seem to be over-matched in the playoffs relative to the opposing starter.
He couldn't shut down the opposition the way Lee was able to shut us down in the 2009 WS, and again in the ALCS in 2010. He was outperformed by Verlander in the 2011 ALDS, but so was everyone else in the known universe.
Its hard to fully blame him though, because the offense has to meet him half way. You have to plan for him to give up 2 or less over 6 innings as a minimum. Other teams are getting at least that from their aces in the playoffs. Thats kind of the notion that pushes him to #1a or even #2 status.Mariano Rivera was so great he was able to close a Denny's.
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08-08-12 10:56 AM #1681
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Baseball is life;
the rest is just details.
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08-08-12 11:15 AM #1682
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well, it wasn't demps or greinke for damn sure. garza would have been nice, but they were asking too much. same with johnson. the guy i've really wanted to be on this team is felix, but seattle isn't budging on him. and not to cry over spilt milk, yu darvish would have been awesome here. so to answer your question finally. i don't know.
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08-08-12 11:20 AM #1683
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08-08-12 11:23 AM #1684
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Yu Darvish seems to be going for that 1:1:1 ratio of K:BB:ER. Not necessarily a bad thing if you keep that last one at a minimum, but it looks like he's trying to get Nolan Ryan's career total while maintaining that ratio. I wanted him in pinstripes pretty badly. Not so much right now...
Mariano Rivera was so great he was able to close a Denny's.
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08-08-12 11:32 AM #1685
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08-08-12 12:10 PM #1686
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Dempster is a solid pitcher who would have provided the Yankees quality starts. Given what Texas gave up for him, I have to think the Yankees could have exceeded that package and not mortgaged the farm. Everything starts and ends with pitching, and the Yankees simply do not have anything reliable after CC and Kuroda. Nova and Hughes tease with high-end starts but are massively inconsistent and liable to implode completely. Garcia is Garcia. And leaving your team's fortunes to a 40 year-old pitcher who came out of retirement to pitch this season and will be coming back from a serious injury which caused extended time to be lost is a tremendously risky proposition. He has already had a setback and there is no guarantee he will be able to pitch at the front-end, which is what the team needs, given that it has plenty of back-end mediocrity.
The Yankees in 2012 have shown tremendous resolve and heart, and have overcome a massive number of injuries to key players. With Boston getting healthier, and ARod going down, eventually there will be one too many factors to overcome. There were seasons in the 2000s where the team frankly didn't play well enough in the first half to justify the expenditure for mid-season help. If ever there were a team that deserved it, this year's version is that team. Cashman whiffed. Plain and simple.
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08-08-12 12:23 PM #1687
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08-08-12 12:23 PM #1688
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08-08-12 12:24 PM #1689
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08-08-12 12:29 PM #1690
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I suppose we theoretically don't, but, using that logic, why wouldn't they ask the Rangers for Kinsler or Hamilton? I can't see any reason why they would want to help the Rangers out particularly and screw the Yankees over. They traded him to Texas because that obviously was the best deal they were offered. We could have offered a better package.
BTW, the Cubs in reality wouldn't have asked for any of the above players due to salary/impending FA issues.
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08-08-12 12:36 PM #1691
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08-08-12 12:36 PM #1692
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This year's team has exceeded my expectations considering all the key players they lost. I never thought they were going to recover from the Mo injury but Soriano surprised us with his performance. Gardner's injury is another one that they somehow managed to overcome.
I am not that worried about Boston. They have as many problems as the Yankees if not more. I am not sure what Cashman could've done given the budget restraint placed on him by the Steinbrenners. Once we get Andy back, our pitching will be passable.
If NYY wins it all this year, it would be very satisfying.
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08-08-12 12:37 PM #1693
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Well - I have this theory that when GMs deal with the Yankees, they ask for the moon. When that same GM deals with another team, they only ask for space dust particles.
I used Cano as an example. Maybe the Cubs (Theo by the way - speaking of wanting to screw the Yankees) were offered the top Yankee minor league prospect and the Cubs said no."Leave it to Yankees fans to be upset at having too many great players.”—Hitman23
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08-08-12 12:38 PM #1694
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08-08-12 12:38 PM #1695
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08-08-12 12:39 PM #1696
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08-08-12 12:45 PM #1697
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08-08-12 12:48 PM #1698
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That's why I asked for both sides of the equation. Who for who (whom?) It's easy to say "I wish we'd acquire a decent pitcher" without offering specifics.
For example, I would have offered almost any minor leaguer, nova, etc for Greinke.
Also, I'm not sold on Dempster in YS.Hideki Matsui is capable of anything
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08-08-12 12:56 PM #1699
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What I said, and what you responded to, was that every team has inconsistent 3-4-5 guys.
Now to answer your new question, yes-- the Yankees pitching has been as good or better than the Angels. I know this is difficult to believe because from what I read around here the 2012 Yankees are the crappiest team to ever crap a crap.
ERA+
CC- 121
Kuroda- 133
Pettitte- 133
Nova- 88
Hughes- 104
Weaver- 175
Wilson- 111
Grienke- 115 (74 as an Angel)
Haren- 84
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08-08-12 01:10 PM #1700
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So Weaver is better than CC by a good margin. Kuroda has been rock solid, no doubt. Pettitte's numbers are at least somewhat reflective of SSS due to his delayed start and the injury, and this assumes he makes it back from a serious injury to pitch at the same level as before- no small feat for a 40 year-old a year removed from retirement. I'm sorry, but I would take Greinke and Haren over Hughes and Nova in a heartbeat.
The numbers do reflect that the Yankees' pitching is not nearly as bad as some think. Point taken. If Pettitte is able to return strong, it definitely changes the complexion of a post-season rotation, I agree. But, in a series, I still think the LAAAAAA have a deeper rotation.
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