2012 Hot Stove/ Trade Rumors...

[DJ27]

With the Yankees stated goal of lowering payroll to $189 million, trading for Felix makes no sense. The cons outweigh the pros - not only are you trading two quality, cost-effective young starters (and weakening overall rotation depth), but it also means the chances of retaining Cano/Granderson become slim to none.

That's much too steep a price to pay for any pitcher.

I agree but my point is that if you can get him you change your goal.

[jnewmark]

I dunno, I'm kinda disappointed. It seems like evry team in contention got some starting pitching except the Yanks. Did they even try ?

[Black Sabbathia]

I can't believe anybody had to even ask if McGehee was an upgrade on Pena.......I like Ramiro's defense but the guy is useless at the dish

McGehee's produced a .807 OPS against lefties this season. .754 on his career. He's got some pop and plays a decent enough 3B. Good platoon partner for Chavez. I'm not expecting anything great out of him, but if he can give us a .750 OPS 2-3 games a week and pinch hitting he's an upgrade. And we basically got him for nothing. Low risk. For what this team needed right now he's a great addition.

I'm glad Cashman didn't spend on more pitching

[d32123]

I dunno, I'm kinda disappointed. It seems like evry team in contention got some starting pitching except the Yanks. Did they even try ?

Think rationally, brother.

[Blazer]

I can't believe anybody had to even ask if McGehee was an upgrade on Pena.......I like Ramiro's defense but the guy is useless at the dish

McGehee's produced a .807 OPS against lefties this season. .754 on his career. He's got some pop and plays a decent enough 3B. Good platoon partner for Chavez. I'm not expecting anything great out of him, but if he can give us a .750 OPS 2-3 games a week and pinch hitting he's an upgrade. And we basically got him for nothing. Low risk. For what this team needed right now he's a great addition.

I'm glad Cashman didn't spend on more pitching

Nicely thought out and expressed. I didn't care for Nova tonight, but every pitcher bites the bit every now and then.

[Maynerd]

He's better than Miguel Cairo.

If I recall correctly, you were a big fan of Cairo's, no?

[JL25and3]

If I recall correctly, you were a big fan of Cairo's, no?

Wasn't everybody?

[tranquility]

Seattle's FO's [open] over-valuing of certain defensive metrics and their defense-usually-above-all strategy is partly what's led them into their current state of suck. they took something smart teams use in conjunction with other tools/goals and ran too much like the thickest poster on BTF would.

but yes, Brendan Ryan is a master of run prevention. players with .258 wOBAs cut off a lot of possible runs scored for their teams.

I thought Brendan Ryan's detractors might enjoy this:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...s_mendoza.html

[False1]

I thought Brendan Ryan's detractors might enjoy this:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...s_mendoza.html

Did you write that article, and/or are you Mrs. Ryan?

[portman7387]

The Phils put Cliff Lee on waivers today

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/0...medium=twitter

[Yankee Tripper]

Did you write that article, and/or are you Mrs. Ryan?

[tranquility]

Did you write that article, and/or are you Mrs. Ryan?

Uh ... no and no.

Are you Brendan Ryan's jilted lover?

[False1]

Uh ... no and no.

Are you Brendan Ryan's jilted lover?

I'm not into dudes, especially ones with sub-.600 OPS. NTTAWWT

[JL25and3]

I thought Brendan Ryan's detractors might enjoy this:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...s_mendoza.html

"As I mentioned earlier today in a post imploring the Mariners not to trade Ryan and even to look at extending him multiple years, his offense has been better for some time now. It just takes a while to climb out of that sub-.200 range when you get off to such a poor start."

This is true, in a sense. At the end of June, he was hitting .176/.283/.268, which is absolutely horrific. Since then he's been hitting .289/.325/.395, which is merely very bad. Also, his track record suggests that he's been hitting over his head for that period. He's 30 years old, and his career line is .249/.311/.334.

But sure, go ahead, sign him to a multi-year contract.

[tranquility]

"As I mentioned earlier today in a post imploring the Mariners not to trade Ryan and even to look at extending him multiple years, his offense has been better for some time now. It just takes a while to climb out of that sub-.200 range when you get off to such a poor start."

This is true, in a sense. At the end of June, he was hitting .176/.283/.268, which is absolutely horrific. Since then he's been hitting .289/.325/.395, which is merely very bad. Also, his track record suggests that he's been hitting over his head for that period. He's 30 years old, and his career line is .249/.311/.334.

But sure, go ahead, sign him to a multi-year contract.

I would note that the American League average for shortstops is .255/.306/.367 (and for all positions is .255/.321/.412).

[Yankee Fan in Boston]

I would note that the American League average for shortstops is .255/.306/.367 (and for all positions is .255/.321/.412).

But those averages are for this year right? They've decreased over the past couple of years, right? I don't think you can compare them to his career line. I think it's telling that his career OPS+ is 77

[False1]

I would note that the American League average for shortstops is .255/.306/.367 (and for all positions is .255/.321/.412).

Let's be real Mrs. Ryan.

He ranks 21st out of 25 ML SS with >300 PA this season with a 67 wRC+.

Thirty days of the BABIP Gods smiling on him (.344 in July, which STILL only lead to a .709 OPS) doesn't change anything. Brendan Ryan is TERRIBLE offensively. It's ridiculous that you are not just owning up to that.

How much his glove offsets his automatic out status is debatable, but let's not go even insinuating that the dude is league average offensively, even for a SS.

[tranquility]

But those averages are for this year right? They've decreased over the past couple of years, right? I don't think you can compare them to his career line. I think it's telling that his career OPS+ is 77

Those are American League averages for 2012 and, of course, I was responding to your assertion that ".289/.325/.395, which is merely very bad."

Here are the American League and MLB averages for shortstops in recent years:

American League
2011 .266/.321/.387
2010 .258/.312/.357
2009 .274/.329/.391
2008 .266/.319/.375

MLB
2012 .257/.309/.377
2011 .263/.317/.380
2010 .262/.319/.374
2009 .271/.328/.393
2008 .272/.327/.391

[tranquility]

Let's be real Mrs. Ryan.

He ranks 21st out of 25 ML SS with >300 PA this season with a 67 wRC+.

Thirty days of the BABIP Gods smiling on him (.344 in July, which STILL only lead to a .709 OPS) doesn't change anything. Brendan Ryan is TERRIBLE offensively. It's ridiculous that you are not just owning up to that.

How much his glove offsets his automatic out status is debatable, but let's not go even insinuating that the dude is league average offensively, even for a SS.

Brendan Ryan is a well-below-average hitter and I've never contended otherwise. However, I did in fact dispute that ".289/.325/.395, ... is merely very bad."

[Yankee Tripper]

So Ryan's career line of .249/.311/.334 falls short on all counts. He's a really bad offensive player, there is really no debating that.

His recent stretch while likely unsustainable would infact make him somewhat valuable given his glove as he would at least approximate average offensive production.

[Yankee Fan in Boston]

Those are American League averages for 2012 and, of course, I was responding to your assertion that ".289/.325/.395, which is merely very bad."

Here are the American League and MLB averages for shortstops in recent years:

American League
2011 .266/.321/.387
2010 .258/.312/.357
2009 .274/.329/.391
2008 .266/.319/.375

MLB
2012 .257/.309/.377
2011 .263/.317/.380
2010 .262/.319/.374
2009 .271/.328/.393
2008 .272/.327/.391

I don't think you were replying to my assertion, as this was my first post on this -- or are you saying that all us Yankee fans look alike to you?

Regardless, the OPS+ numbers are pretty telling where he stacks up vs. his peers without needing to get into the individual lines.

[tranquility]

I don't think you were replying to my assertion, as this was my first post on this -- or are you saying that all us Yankee fans look alike to you?

Regardless, the OPS+ numbers are pretty telling where he stacks up vs. his peers without needing to get into the individual lines.

My mistake ... I was responding to the post of JL25and3.

[ElReyDeLosReyes]

The Phils put Cliff Lee on waivers today

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/0...medium=twitter

This is relevant to my interest.

[JL25and3]

Brendan Ryan is a well-below-average hitter and I've never contended otherwise. However, I did in fact dispute that ".289/.325/.395, ... is merely very bad."

Fair enough. For a ninth hitter with a good glove, that's not awful. It's also certainly not untradeable, and at age 30 shouldn't be considered for a multi-year contract.

On top of that, it's one month when he's approximated league average. Nothing else in his career suggests that he's capable of maintaining that.

[JL25and3]

This is relevant to my interest.

Claim him, and the Phillies will undoubtedly just pull him back. Either that, or you get him and his monstrous contract for essentially nothing.