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    MLB Network.
    At least you didn't say Bobcat.

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    MLB Network isn't that bad.
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    Re: 2012 Hot Stove/ Trade Rumors...

    The Twins GM who traded Hardy and Ramos is a different guy than who's there now. That was Bill Smith, the new Twins GM is Terry Ryan, the guy who built the good Twins teams of the 00s.

    Smith got fired after last year.

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    Re: 2012 Hot Stove/ Trade Rumors...

    Quote Originally Posted by snapple View Post
    I think it would be wise to hold onto Betances for awhile. he could be like Randy Johnson, big guy, lots of moving parts. Once he figures it out, we could be looking at a great pitcher.
    Randy Johnson was no great shakes until his age 29 season. That's a long time to wait.
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    Re: 2012 Hot Stove/ Trade Rumors...

    Quote Originally Posted by jcarey View Post
    Flowers reminds me of Ianetta. Good OBP skills and some pop. Not a bad player to have.
    Flowers has not shown this OBP and pop in the ML - in 82 games, his line is .184/.294/.338/.632 - admittedly, he has not played regularly in the ML.

    His AAA numbers are significantly better, but I have to wonder if he would translate.

    More importantly, would he be an upgrade from what we have now?
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    Re: 2012 Hot Stove/ Trade Rumors...

    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    Randy Johnson was no great shakes until his age 29 season. That's a long time to wait.
    Considering the way our organization depth looks, we can afford to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apalradio View Post
    The real point of trading Upton would be to get a good return and to fill certain needs. The best trades are the ones where both teams walk away with a good haul. If all AZ is looking to do is to loot and pillage any team for Upton, a trade is not likely to happen. I don't doubt that there are teams prepared to give up a lot for Justin, but he's not exactly lighting it up this year. So I'm not sure they're in a position to rob anyone blind for him.
    Which is what Upton is, and the DBacks would want a bunch of spects back period. They don't have to trade Upton now or later really. They aren't too far from being the leaders of the NL West talent wise.
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    I saw giancarlo stanton could be shopped. Nova, Sanchez, Williams, Austin and Whitely for Stanton and a small prospect who is a throw in so it's not just all of those guys for one player.

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    Re: 2012 Hot Stove/ Trade Rumors...

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHugeUnit2 View Post
    I saw giancarlo stanton could be shopped. Nova, Sanchez, Williams, Austin and Whitely for Stanton and a small prospect who is a throw in so it's not just all of those guys for one player.
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    i think davidoff mentioned of players who could fit
    will venable, padres. not tearing it up, but i could see him benefiting a ton from YS and Klong. cheap, under control, padres would probably keep him though.
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    Re: 2012 Hot Stove/ Trade Rumors...

    Quote Originally Posted by snapple View Post
    MLB Network isn't that bad.
    They're improving. While ESPN is 100% sub-100 IQ jocks spouting counterfactual cliches about the game, MLB Network occasionally does make factual, insightful statements even if 90% of their content is stupid filler as well.

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    Re: 2012 Hot Stove/ Trade Rumors...

    Quote Originally Posted by d32123 View Post
    They're improving. While ESPN is 100% sub-100 IQ jocks spouting counterfactual cliches about the game, MLB Network occasionally does make factual, insightful statements even if 90% of their content is stupid filler as well.
    To paraphrase Theodore Sturgeon, 90% of everything is stupid filler.
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    Re: 2012 Hot Stove/ Trade Rumors...

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHugeUnit2 View Post
    I saw giancarlo stanton could be shopped. Nova, Sanchez, Williams, Austin and Whitely for Stanton and a small prospect who is a throw in so it's not just all of those guys for one player.
    Yea as far as I'm concerned I'd give the Marlins basically whatever they want for Stanton. The only question is do we have enough to give to make the deal work on their end.

    Ultimately I highly doubt it would happen. They'd be fools to deal Stanton he is exactly the type of player you build a young team around. If they're going to deal a big name it should probably be Hanley.

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    Re: 2012 Hot Stove/ Trade Rumors...

    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    To paraphrase Theodore Sturgeon, 90% of everything is stupid filler.
    90% of everything is crap.

    LOVE that quote.

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    Oh yeah. But, MLB Network has a lot more space to fill. E!SPN can go from sport to sport, whereas MLB Network has one job. And, considering how well they do, I don't mind the filler.
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    Re: 2012 Hot Stove/ Trade Rumors...

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGameEpisode2 View Post
    The Twins GM who traded Hardy and Ramos is a different guy than who's there now. That was Bill Smith, the new Twins GM is Terry Ryan, the guy who built the good Twins teams of the 00s.

    Smith got fired after last year.
    I didn't realize he got the axe. Well, crap.

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    Re: 2012 Hot Stove/ Trade Rumors...

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHugeUnit2 View Post
    I saw giancarlo stanton could be shopped. Nova, Sanchez, Williams, Austin and Whitely for Stanton and a small prospect who is a throw in so it's not just all of those guys for one player.
    Ivan Nova, at least in my opinion is untouchable.

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    No one is untouchable when it comes to talent like Stanton. You get Pineda back next year or sign Hamels and still have a rotation of CC/Hamels/Pineda/Hughes + Kuroda/Pettitte.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teknetic View Post
    No one is untouchable when it comes to talent like Stanton. You get Pineda back next year or sign Hamels and still have a rotation of CC/Hamels/Pineda/Hughes + Kuroda/Pettitte.
    I agree in principle, but I don't feel we're in a position to lose Nova right now. Probably still do it.

    Love Stanton. Only conern is that he appears fragile.
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    Re: 2012 Hot Stove/ Trade Rumors...

    Quote Originally Posted by NYYankeesFan92 View Post

    Which is why i laugh when people mention him as one of the greatest pitchers of all-time.
    I don't understand your logic there.
    Koufax and Ryan weren't great when they started either....
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    Re: 2012 Hot Stove/ Trade Rumors...

    6/130 being offered to Hamels.

    Hard to believe he will turn that down.
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    Re: 2012 Hot Stove/ Trade Rumors...

    Quote Originally Posted by just-blaze View Post
    6/130 being offered to Hamels.

    Hard to believe he will turn that down.
    If he signs, check out these obligations for 2013:

    Lee - $25M
    Hamels - $21.6M
    Howard - $20M
    Halladay - $20M
    Utley - $15M
    Papelbon - $13M
    Rollins - $11M
    Pence will be over $10.4M (last year of arb)

    That's over $136M for 8 players.

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    Re: 2012 Hot Stove/ Trade Rumors...

    Quote Originally Posted by THEBOSS84 View Post
    If he signs, check out these obligations for 2013:

    Lee - $25M
    Hamels - $21.6M
    Howard - $20M
    Halladay - $20M
    Utley - $15M
    Papelbon - $13M
    Rollins - $11M
    Pence will be over $10.4M (last year of arb)

    That's over $136M for 8 players.
    I think they are going to try to trade one of Lee/Halladay.
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    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/0...nley-bell.html

    Good lord I hope this isn't true. I want to see the Sox paying Crawford for the next 5 years.
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    Re: 2012 Hot Stove/ Trade Rumors...

    Quote Originally Posted by just-blaze View Post
    6/130 being offered to Hamels.

    Hard to believe he will turn that down.
    If I'm him, I'll turn it down. If they made that offer last offseason then my answer you have been different.
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