Holds question

[gdn]

I couldn't find a thread to put this in, so forgive me for creating a new one.

Can someone explain to me what the hell counts as a hold?

For example. I have J. Benoit, who pitched a scoreless 8th inning today with a 3-run lead. Is that a hold? Why? If not, why not?

[Clive]

A hold is awarded when a reliever enters the game in a save situation, records at least one out, and leaves before finishing the game. So in the 5/6/12 Tigers game, Dotel, Coke, and Benoit all received holds.

It will probably show up as an overnight adjustment.

[gdn]

A hold is awarded when a reliever enters the game in a save situation, records at least one out, and leaves before finishing the game. So in the 5/6/11 Tigers game, Dotel, Coke, and Benoit all received holds.

It will probably show up as an overnight adjustment.

The explanation helps a lot. Thanks!

[miko]

Holds are generally overnight!

[Yankee Tripper]

A hold is awarded when a reliever enters the game in a save situation, records at least one out, and leaves (with his team still in the lead) before finishing the game. So in the 5/6/12 Tigers game, Dotel, Coke, and Benoit all received holds.

It will probably show up as an overnight adjustment.

Just a technical correction of your definition.

[Hitman23]

A hold (abbreviated HLD, H or HD) is awarded to a relief pitcher who meets the following three conditions:
1. Enters the game in a save situation; that is, when all of the following three conditions apply:
(a) He appears in relief (i.e., is not the starting pitcher); and
(b) He is not the winning pitcher; and
(c) He qualifies under one of the following conditions:
(i) He enters the game with a lead of no more than three runs and maintains that lead for at least one inning
(ii) He enters the game, regardless of the count, with the potential tying run either on base, or at bat, or on deck
(iii) He pitches effectively for at least three innings.
2. Records at least one out
3. Leaves the game before it has ended without his team having relinquished the lead at any point and does not record a save.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hold_(baseball)

I'm not quite sure that on the part that says "he pitches effectively for 3 innings" is correct. I think that should be pitching one of the last 3 innings?

[Hitman23]

Hold (Hld) - A hold is credited to a relief pitcher who does not finish the game, but enters the game with a lead, and leaves a game with the lead intact. Effectively it's a statistic for "middle relievers".

http://www.howbaseballworks.com/Statistics.htm

[Clive]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hold_(baseball)

I'm not quite sure that on the part that says "he pitches effectively for 3 innings" is correct. I think that should be pitching one of the last 3 innings?

I think you can get a three inning hold just like you can get a three inning save. It's just extremely improbable.

[Saxmania]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hold_(baseball)

I'm not quite sure that on the part that says "he pitches effectively for 3 innings" is correct. I think that should be pitching one of the last 3 innings?

It's a sub-category of 1 (c). So you need all of 1 (a) and (b) to be true, 2 and 3 to be true, and at least one of the three sub-clauses 1 (c) (i), 1 (c) (ii), and 1 (c) (iii) to be true. Then it's a hold.

Be seeing you,

Saxmania

[Hitman23]

It's a sub-category of 1 (c). So you need all of 1 (a) and (b) to be true, 2 and 3 to be true, and at least one of the three sub-clauses 1 (c) (i), 1 (c) (ii), and 1 (c) (iii) to be true. Then it's a hold.

Be seeing you,

Saxmania

ahhh... I missed that part. what a convoluted rule Holds has.

[Yankee Tripper]

ahhh... I missed that part. what a convoluted rule Holds has.

My favorite is when a guy is credited with a HLD & L in the same game, good times.

[ChrisRo]

My favorite is when a guy is credited with a HLD & L in the same game, good times.

Just as good as a closer getting a BS and a W.