Michael Pineda Out for @012 With Labrum Tear

[BronxBombers42]

http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/stor...houlder-injury

Being Reported by ESPN, that Pineda is out for 2012 with a right shoulder anterior labral tear, surgery sheduled for 2012.

[Battingly]

Just to clarify the situation, the MRI revealed no damage to the rotator cuff ... I repeat, no damage to the rotator cuff ... its strictly the labrum tear that has to be fixed and thats why they are optimistic about his recovery.

That said, I know less than nothing about this injury or its long term prognosis, but I have one question for the posters who do ...

What does this mean for his velocity?

Is there any chance he can regain the mid to high 90's fastball he had in Seattle, will he ever sit in the mid 90's again, or is that gone forever?

[The Comic Book Guy]

Clemens, Schilling and Carpenter all came back from torn labrums. The list of guys who weren't able to come back is longer.

Send him to Colon's doctor.

[Battingly]

Clemens, Schilling and Carpenter all came back from torn labrums. The list of guys who weren't able to come back is longer.

Send him to Colon's doctor.

Thanks comic, thats encouraging, just to know that some guys have bounced back with their v-lo, but let me ask you a question about the list of players who didn't ... do you think most of them had rotator cuff injuries as well, labrum and RC, which I think is fairly common when one or the other is torn?

[Dabu]

While I am by no means anything close to a professional athlete who has to perform at such high levels and throw 90+ mph fastballs, I did have surgery this past summer to repair a torn labrum without rotator cuff damage and from what I understand, the prognosis is pretty positive. Its a long recovery process but now my surgically repaired shoulder is actually stronger than the non-injured shoulder, so hopefully Pineda can make a similar recovery! I look forward to seeing what he can give us next year.

And to answer your question Battingly, yes labrum and RC injures often occur together or from one having to compensate for the other, so I would assume a large proportion of the pitchers did indeed injure both. It's a blessing that Pineda only tore is labrum and not his rotator.

[enozlac]

bust.

[Battingly]

While I am by no means anything close to a professional athlete who has to perform at such high levels and throw 90+ mph fastballs, I did have surgery this past summer to repair a torn labrum without rotator cuff damage and from what I understand, the prognosis is pretty positive. Its a long recovery process but now my surgically repaired shoulder is actually stronger than the non-injured shoulder, so hopefully Pineda can make a similar recovery! I look forward to seeing what he can give us next year.

And to answer your question Battingly, yes labrum and RC injures often occur together or from one having to compensate for the other, so I would assume a large proportion of the pitchers did indeed injure both. It's a blessing that Pineda only tore is labrum and not his rotator.

Thanks for this post, Dabu, it was very informative and helpful ... and encouraging.

[Jax Teller]

Nobody is acting like Pineda is dead. Seriously, where do you come up with this stuff?

[Axon]

Nobody is acting like Pineda is dead. Seriously, where do you come up with this stuff?

Pronouncing the trade a bust? Completely overreacting after a month? Reasoned opinions mix with this forum like oil mixes with water.

NYYFans did the same thing with Ajax/Granderson, and there's no doubt we got a better player in that deal. But the hand wringing was epic.

[The FUTURE]

Pronouncing the trade a bust? Completely overreacting after a month? Reasoned opinions mix with this forum like oil mixes with water.

NYYFans did the same thing with Ajax/Granderson, and there's no doubt we got a better player in that deal. But the hand wringing was epic.

This is very true...but for all those who said you never trade a everyday middle of the lineup bat for a young hard throwing pitcher....now get to sit back and say, "Ha I told you so" for the next year (not saying I am one of those.)


So for the next year you'll just have to accept it and deal with it until Pineda comes back and (hopefully ) proves that we made the right deal.

[BobbytheMurcer]

Pronouncing the trade a bust?

NYYFans did the same thing with Ajax/Granderson, and there's no doubt we got a better player in that deal. But the hand wringing was epic.

Granderson is better than AJax...but is he better than Kennedy, Coke AND AJax?

Whoops, I gotta go wipe some horse blood off my foot...

[awy]

actually yea he is

[NerfBall55]

actually yea he is

Yup, without a doubt.

[ThePinStripes]

Granderson is better than AJax...but is he better than Kennedy, Coke AND AJax?

In the NL West No. If the AL East? Yes.

[Donnybaseball72]

[QUOTE=ThePinStripes;7500710]

Granderson is better than AJax...but is he better than Kennedy, Coke AND AJax?

Whoops, I gotta go West? No. If the AL East? Yes.

What? Can you please slow down and explain what on earth this means.

[YankeePride1967]

Nobody is acting like Pineda is dead. Seriously, where do you come up with this stuff?

I don't think they mean as in dead but rather declaring the trade a bust Pineda won't ever be the same. Yes it's possible he won't be but it's also possible he will. Right now, he is a question mark. Now if I knew he would need labrum surgery there is no way in hell I do the trade given the impossible advantage of hindsight but the trade is what it is and we have to hope that one, Pineda does recover and Campos is the prospect he appears to be.

[Hitman23]

Nobody is acting like Pineda is dead. Seriously, where do you come up with this stuff?

Dead no, but big mistake, many people think yes. It sucks now but I think in the end we will all be happy Pineda is a Yankee.

[Jax Teller]

Dead no, but big mistake, many people think yes. It sucks now but I think in the end we will all be happy Pineda is a Yankee.

A lot of people didn't like it before this happened. I see a lot more rational posts then not on this topic yet some of you are assuming it is all hindsight reactions & freaking out.

[awy]

I would have traded Montero for 2008 Joba(+campos)

i would not have. montero appreciates in value if he hits a lot. he can do that in YS. you are better off holding onto him for a bit longer. by then the decisions make themselves.

[False1]

i would not have. montero appreciates in value if he hits a lot. he can do that in YS. you are better off holding onto him for a bit longer. by then the decisions make themselves.

I would have done that hypothetical deal in a heartbeat. '08 Joba before Texas? No question.

[Hitman23]

A lot of people didn't like it before this happened. I see a lot more rational posts then not on this topic yet some of you are assuming it is all hindsight reactions & freaking out.

I haven't assumed anything. I have just continued to back Cashman in my argument. Maybe others are coming across that way, I don't see it, but it's not how I intended to present my argument. I am still happy with the move. I have discussed the arguments against my thinking, but I don't believe at all that I have said anyone was being ridiculous.

[awy]

im pretty scared of young pitching. wouldn't have done it for joba.

[YankeePride1967]

A lot of people didn't like it before this happened. I see a lot more rational posts then not on this topic yet some of you are assuming it is all hindsight reactions & freaking out.

Well there are people on both sides going to extreme positions from calling the trade "a disaster that will haunt the Yankees for years" as one poster in the other Pineda thread to I'm still glad the trade was made. Who knows what he will turn out to be. No one knows. I fully understand the position some have that didn't like the trade from the start. Even though I was in favor, I hated trading away Montero.