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    Re: 2012 Curtis Granderson Performance Thread

    I'm not sure when we saw a player as "all or nothing" as Curtis Granderson.

    His K rate is even worse than last year.

    2011 = 691 PA, 169 K = 1 per 4.1 PA
    2012 = 319 PA, 83 K = 1 per 3.8 PA
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    Re: 2012 Curtis Granderson Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBamTino24 View Post
    I'm not sure when we saw a player as "all or nothing" as Curtis Granderson.

    His K rate is even worse than last year.

    2011 = 691 PA, 169 K = 1 per 4.1 PA
    2012 = 319 PA, 83 K = 1 per 3.8 PA
    .343 OBP. .514 SA. As long as he does that, I don't care how much he strikes out.
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    Re: 2012 Curtis Granderson Performance Thread

    Bumping because I think he is starting to resemble Adam Dunn and Dave Kingman at the plate. We could have Cust or Branyan do that for us for a lot cheaper.

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    Re: 2012 Curtis Granderson Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by TheStraw View Post
    Bumping because I think he is starting to resemble Adam Dunn and Dave Kingman at the plate. We could have Cust or Branyan do that for us for a lot cheaper.
    Key words which negate the second sentence in your post.
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    Re: 2012 Curtis Granderson Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by TheStraw View Post
    Bumping because I think he is starting to resemble Adam Dunn and Dave Kingman at the plate. We could have Cust or Branyan do that for us for a lot cheaper.
    Cust and Branyan would lead the AL in homers? News to me.
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    Re: 2012 Curtis Granderson Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankeesfan924 View Post
    Cust and Branyan would lead the AL in homers? News to me.
    Ok, maybe I overstated it. But I do wonder why he is immune to the criticism that Alex, Teix and Swisher get. I know he is a great guy and all, and fits the Yankee persona. But I think that Cash really needs to question the wisdom of giving this guy a megacontract in the future. He has batted closer to .250 than .300 the last two seasons and his K rate is high.

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    Re: 2012 Curtis Granderson Performance Thread

    His Offensive WAR alone (not including his defense) is on track to be about 5 for the season. I'll take that out of any player, let alone a center fielder. His wRC+ is 129, which is again great. I think we are all a little high on his 2011 season.

    edit: his D-WAR is negative, but I'm not sure I trust that figure.
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    Re: 2012 Curtis Granderson Performance Thread

    His D-war has been negative fairly consistently, often by large margins for a while, even before he started playing with Gardner in LF.

    Even if you don't trust defensive measures fully and want to account for human/methodology error, the numbers are consistently bad enough over large samples (since 2008) at best he's below average as CF.

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    Re: 2012 Curtis Granderson Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePinStripes View Post
    His Offensive WAR alone (not including his defense) is on track to be about 5 for the season. I'll take that out of any player, let alone a center fielder. His wRC+ is 129, which is again great. I think we are all a little high on his 2011 season.

    edit: his D-WAR is negative, but I'm not sure I trust that figure.
    Well how does striking out a lot affect WAR? If two players finish the season with exactly the same statistics except Player X had 75 more strikeouts and Player Y had 75 more outs in play, what would the WAR difference be?

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    Re: 2012 Curtis Granderson Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by EvanJ View Post
    Well how does striking out a lot affect WAR? If two players finish the season with exactly the same statistics except Player X had 75 more strikeouts and Player Y had 75 more outs in play, what would the WAR difference be?
    It all depends on the linear weights used to calculate the wOBA offensive stat, which change from year to year. But I don't think they take either GIDP or strikeouts into account, so I doubt it would be affected much

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    Re: 2012 Curtis Granderson Performance Thread

    With 2 strikes everyone in the park knows what is coming but Grandy can't seem to hold off breaking stuff in the dirt. If he can adjust to this he should put up monster numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheStraw View Post
    Bumping because I think he is starting to resemble Adam Dunn and Dave Kingman at the plate. We could have Cust or Branyan do that for us for a lot cheaper.
    You do realize that Dunn and Kingman are extremely dissimilar, right?

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    Re: 2012 Curtis Granderson Performance Thread

    curtis granderson has always be a K heavy guy. I don't remember the site that showed heat maps but he never could hit breaking balls down. The adjustments he made with KLong allowed him to hammer fastballs (and changeups) in but not much else.

    In many ways, he's really a slightly less pull happy version of Teixeira with more speed but less plate discipline.

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    Re: 2012 Curtis Granderson Performance Thread

    I'd rather he not strike out as much; but I'd rather him this way than how he was when he first arrived in New York.
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    Re: 2012 Curtis Granderson Performance Thread

    They should hang K cards from the upper deck for his AB's.


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    They should hang K cards from the upper deck for his AB's.
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    Re: 2012 Curtis Granderson Performance Thread

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    They should hang K cards from the upper deck for his AB's.

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    Re: 2012 Curtis Granderson Performance Thread

    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/mlb/g...b_1&mode=video

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    Re: 2012 Curtis Granderson Performance Thread

    guy's suffering from abnormally depressed babip
    always reasonable

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    Re: 2012 Curtis Granderson Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePinStripes View Post
    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/mlb/g...b_1&mode=video

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    Lol @ Melancon- read his lips.
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    Quote Originally Posted by awy View Post
    guy's suffering from abnormally depressed babip
    What is his BABIP?
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    "oops."
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    "oops."
    ya, it happens, he's been great this year
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    Re: 2012 Curtis Granderson Performance Thread

    Terrible outfielder. He'll come up with a really good play once in awhile.

    More times than not, he constantly misreads the ball. Next year will be his last here.

    Like I said when the trade was made, other than power, AJAX will be the better player.

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    Re: 2012 Curtis Granderson Performance Thread

    He just gets terrible reads off the bat and then proceeds to take horrible routes way too often.

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    Re: 2012 Curtis Granderson Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by grizy View Post
    He just gets terrible reads off the bat and then proceeds to take horrible routes way too often.
    He reminds me of Bernie alot. Bernie was the same way...took horrible routes and got awful jumps but his speed made up for it 99% of the time. Granderson is the same.

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