2012 Rafael Soriano Performance Thread

[SatchelPaigeYankee]

Tell him I said hello. I'll send a replacement.

lookin for a job

[ymike673]

So it's pretty much guaranteed he's not coming back?

Alot depends on Mo. If he decides to retire the Yankees might make Soriano an offer.

[Yankee Tripper]

Alot depends on Mo. If he decides to retire the Yankees might make Soriano an offer.

That's part of it. Buit I think it depends more on the market, if there is a team willing to throw 4 years his way he's gone. If not the Yanks would probably give him the most money on a 2 or 3 year deal. Not sure if that is wise on the part of the Yanks or not but it is probably true.

As I've said, I'd prefer they don't allocate that kind of coin to a closer if they are serious about the $189M payroll for 2014 as I think the money could be better spent elswhere in the future. If they are operating on an unlimited budget (which they are not) by all means bid him up.

[Pasco08]

Does Sori really think he is gonna get more then 14million from another team?
Don't tell me this fool is that stupid.

[ymike673]

Does Sori really think he is gonna get more then 14million from another team?
Don't tell me this fool is that stupid.

The Yankees will make Soriano a qualifying offer so they can get a draft pick if he signs with another team. If Rafael accepts the Yankees offer he ends up making about $800,000 more than if he did not opt out. So opting out makes sense.

[ZIM 2002]

But he still wants a multi year deal, which will get him more money overall.

[sweet_lou_14]

He did a very good job for the Yankees but, unless he makes the unlikely decision to come back for only one year, the Yankees should let him go. If they're serious about $189M, then avoiding a $15M payout to a closer is a key part of that equation.

[35Knucklecurve]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/01/sp...tml?ref=sports

[snip]
As expected, Soriano, 32, opted out of his contract Wednesday, and will seek more compensation in free agency. Scott Boras, Soriano’s agent, has made it clear that Soriano deserves a lucrative long-term deal. “I’m not surprised Sori did this,” the Yankees’ president, Randy Levine, said. “Scott Boras told the player that he could get a four-year deal for $60 million, so I would understand why he would opt out. ”

Boras denied that he made promises to Soriano, but he did note that it was an obvious decision to opt out. He said he would continue to negotiate with the Yankees, and was not overly concerned about the Yankees desire to limit payroll by 2014.

“The Yankees have always been about getting the best players and having great depth,” he said. “The initial decision to sign Soriano is one of the main reasons they won the A.L. East in 2012 and decisions like that are what made the Yankees a goliath. Once they stop making decisions like that, the Yankee brand changes.”

The Yankees are expected to make a qualifying offer to Soriano for the predetermined amount of $13.3 million by Friday at 5 p.m. Soriano automatically gets $1.5 million for opting out of his contract (instead of a $14 million salary for 2013). If he accepts the offer, he will make $14.8 million in 2013.

If he rejects the offer and seeks free agency, the Yankees will get a first-round draft pick from the team that signs him (unless it is a top-10 pick and then they would get the team’s next pick).

The Yankees are also waiting to find out what Rivera will do. They expect Rivera, who will be 43 next year, to return, but Rivera told General Manager Brian Cashman he was not certain.

Boras seems to be taking a swipe at the organization here - saying that if Soriano walks and they have to resort to "second best" to replacee him, then that implies that the FO no longer has winning as priority 1. Thoughts on that?

[newyorkyankees6]

when do we know if he stays or signs elsewhere?

[Yankee Fan in Boston]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/01/sp...tml?ref=sports

Boras seems to be taking a swipe at the organization here - saying that if Soriano walks and they have to resort to "second best" to replacee him, then that implies that the FO no longer has winning as priority 1. Thoughts on that?

Eh, that's what Boras does. He doesn't anything he can to try and create a market for his player, regardless of how lame. Much ado about nothing

[snapple]

I know Boras is a smart guy, but Robertson is the better pitcher.

[eaganmafia]

I know Boras is a smart guy, but Robertson is the better pitcher.

But Robertson isn't a "Proven Closer™" That proven closer just makes managers and GM's tight in the jeans.

[awy]

not sure if GMs do it. if they do, all the more reason to not play the game for soriano as you'll be bidding against erroneously high bids.

[eaganmafia]

not sure if GMs do it. if they do, all the more reason to not play the game for soriano as you'll be bidding against erroneously high bids.

Name a good team outside of the Rays and maybe White Sox who haven't invested heavily at the closer position over the last couple seasons.

It's like the the warm blanky when they go to bed.

[awy]

the dumbass phillies sure looked smart with that decision.

generally as teams get smarter they'll invest less in closers.

[eaganmafia]

the dumbass phillies sure looked smart with that decision.

generally as teams get smarter they'll invest less in closers.

I would love nothing more then to see more teams act like the Rays and just treart the closer position as just another bullpen arm that throws 60-70 innings a season.

But I just don't see it happening anytime soon.

[snapple]

I don't know if I'd count the Yankees. Mo is freakin' legendary.

[awy]

mo is in fact supralegendary

[JL25and3]

mo is in fact supralegendary

Actually, Mo is entirely real.

[awy]

mo is god

[flymick24]

I know Boras is a smart guy, but Robertson is the better pitcher.

not until robertson hires boras to be his agent

[snapple]

not until robertson hires boras to be his agent

add the one...carry the four...

damn, you got me.

[ymike673]

But he still wants a multi year deal, which will get him more money overall.

The only reason Rafael signed with the Yankees in the first place was he could not get a large multi-year contract to be a closer. Now he is two years older. Just because Rafael wants a multi year deal does not mean someone will give it to him.

[Bugg]

Plausible Yanks would rather try Aardsma or Robertson or Phelps or some combination or others if Soriano won't sign a fiscally sensilbe contract. A 4 year deal for a closer is not going to happen. Boras is going to be begging Hank and Hal to get the option back. Perhaps the newly-flush Dodgers write a big check, but nor for 4 years.

[False1]

Tigers are my guess. He's going to get paid.