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    Re: 2012 Rafael Soriano Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by goin for 27 View Post
    This would suck. We overpaid the guy, but enough with the No Trade Clauses and the opt outs.

    The guy has shown he can pitch in NY, Mo is a huge question mark. I want no part of Robertson closing, and I really like the kid.

    Now we likely have to increase the overpay for Sori, or pay mpre for a different closer. I don't blame Sori in the least, but going forward, when Yanks are high bidder, they need to say piss off on the opt outs and NTC's....
    If he opts out let I say let him go.

    I think Robertson will be fine in that role if Mo is out.
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    I actually wouldn't mind if he opted out. D-Rob is a much better pitcher.
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    Re: 2012 Rafael Soriano Performance Thread

    I love Robertson, but he has five career saves. Also, if Sori opts out, you lose Robertson in the 8th.

    7th with say Joba/Logan, etc, Robertson 8th, and Sori 9th is a LOT better than ...

    Whoemver in 7th, Joba/Logan 8th, Robertson 9th.

    Just because we have two potential closers, does not mean we should want to see one opt and leave...
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    Re: 2012 Rafael Soriano Performance Thread

    I'd much prefer retaining him. Montgomery/Robertson/Soriano/Mo and a healthy/non-crappy Joba would be a lethal bullpen. yea, I threw Montgomery in there, just because guys like that are fairly easy to project as relievers.

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    Re: 2012 Rafael Soriano Performance Thread

    Rafael signed with the Yankees originally because he could not get a large free-agent contract after 45 saves with the Rays. If he opts out the same thing could happen and then the Yankees might be able to resign him for less money.

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    Re: 2012 Rafael Soriano Performance Thread

    After he did everything we asked him to and more?

    He's getting his closer job and money.

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    Re: 2012 Rafael Soriano Performance Thread

    after reading that great article, i want this man to be paid. whether that be for the yankees, red sox or tigers.
    he's not in it for himself, the money is for his family.
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    Re: 2012 Rafael Soriano Performance Thread

    He'd be nuts to walk away from 1 year $14 mil. I'm sure the Yanks would be delighted.
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    HOpefully he opts out. That 14 mil can be better spent somewhere else.
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    Re: 2012 Rafael Soriano Performance Thread

    He's be opting out of 12.5/1 since he gets a 1.5m buyout if he opts out.

    He can do better than that.

    Papelbon is probably closest comp and he got 50/4 with a rather easy 13m vesting option for 5th year.

    1 or 2 years fewer probably but the AAV will be comparable.

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    Re: 2012 Rafael Soriano Performance Thread

    Generally against resigning opt outs. Take the peak years and walk away from the expensive veteran who is at least one year older. There is a right price to sign anyone but if his price is going to get bid way up I hope the Yankees look to use the resources elsewhere.

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    Re: 2012 Rafael Soriano Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by grizy View Post
    He's be opting out of 12.5/1 since he gets a 1.5m buyout if he opts out.

    He can do better than that.

    Papelbon is probably closest comp and he got 50/4 with a rather easy 13m vesting option for 5th year.

    1 or 2 years fewer probably but the AAV will be comparable.
    And do you think Philly will be happy with that contract?

    The Rays have done well w/ avoiding overpaying for a closer year after year and they have done quite well in that regard

    He was an overpay from the start and if he does opt out it'll be a gift for the Yanks
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    Re: 2012 Rafael Soriano Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by ieddyi View Post
    And do you think Philly will be happy with that contract?

    The Rays have done well w/ avoiding overpaying for a closer year after year and they have done quite well in that regard

    He was an overpay from the start and if he does opt out it'll be a gift for the Yanks
    Right or wrong, I bet the Yankees wouldn't be heart broken if he chooses not to opt out. Their financial focus in on '14, at which time Soriano money won't be an issue. 1/$12.5MM isn't going to make or break this team, but if Mo opts to retire or comes back as less than Mo, having Soriano is pretty important if this team wants to contend.

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    Re: 2012 Rafael Soriano Performance Thread

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    HOpefully he opts out. That 14 mil can be better spent somewhere else.
    yes please

    Quote Originally Posted by ieddyi View Post
    The Rays have done well w/ avoiding overpaying for a closer year after year and they have done quite well in that regard
    thank you. 14 million dollar closers are unnecessary and a complete and utter waste of money. we can find good hitters for that cost, which we more likely need. bullpen relief is easily cobbled together for chump change.


    edit: im actually surprised by the number of people here forgetting how ridiculous paying ANY closer that kind of money is. I'm only ok with Mo gettin that amount as part of a legacy and respect thing. these guys pitch 60 innings a year, out of about 1460 total.
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    Re: 2012 Rafael Soriano Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by SatchelPaigeYankee View Post
    14 million dollar closers are unnecessary and a complete and utter waste of money.
    Interesting. I was delighted to have Mo closing for the last several years. No idea he was a complete and utter waste of money...
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    Re: 2012 Rafael Soriano Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by goin for 27 View Post
    Interesting. I was delighted to have Mo closing for the last several years. No idea he was a complete and utter waste of money...

    Mo is worth it but other than Mo who is? If Soriano opts out and Mo retires I'm sure the Yankees will find someone else to do the job. Maybe D Rob or Joba. I think most closers are over rated. Look at the Tigers. They benched their closer after game one and Coke did the job the rest of the series.

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    i can see the tigers getting him and letting the sideshow valverde walk
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    Re: 2012 Rafael Soriano Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by goin for 27 View Post
    Interesting. I was delighted to have Mo closing for the last several years. No idea he was a complete and utter waste of money...
    not even Mo is worth that kind of money, in terms of on-field value. like i said, some stuff about his legend status, sure. But 14mil for a the last three outs of less than half of the season's games? hell naw.
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    Re: 2012 Rafael Soriano Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by SatchelPaigeYankee View Post
    not even Mo is worth that kind of money, in terms of on-field value. like i said, some stuff about his legend status, sure. But 14mil for a the last three outs of less than half of the season's games? hell naw.
    I get where you're coming from, but I doubt you'll find too many people who care.

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    Re: 2012 Rafael Soriano Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by teknetic View Post
    I get where you're coming from, but I doubt you'll find too many people who care.
    For Mo? Probably not. But if they really stick to $189 million, their current obligations may make an overpriced closer something that doesn't make sense anymore
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    Re: 2012 Rafael Soriano Performance Thread

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    For Mo? Probably not. But if they really stick to $189 million, their current obligations may make an overpriced closer something that doesn't make sense anymore
    They will probably offer Mo a 1 year deal which means the $189 million in 2014 would not be affected.

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    Re: 2012 Rafael Soriano Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by ymike673 View Post
    They will probably offer Mo a 1 year deal which means the $189 million in 2014 would not be affected.
    Yeah, I was thinking other than Mo in a post-Mo world, if that can be conceived
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    Re: 2012 Rafael Soriano Performance Thread

    A year ago, everyone and their mother wanted Soriano to opt-out (and it seemed nearly impossible). A Mo injury and a career year later, and you have some that don't want him to opt-out.

    I absolutely want him to opt-out.

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    Re: 2012 Rafael Soriano Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by THEBOSS84 View Post
    A year ago, everyone and their mother wanted Soriano to opt-out (and it seemed nearly impossible). A Mo injury and a career year later, and you have some that don't want him to opt-out.

    I absolutely want him to opt-out.
    As recently as the ASG I didn't think there was chance he'd opt out. But if he can opt out and clear that payroll space to sign more pressing needs, by all means see ya!

    And I loved what he did running with the closer job this year. I just don't want the Yanks spending ~$14M per on a closer if they really are going to keep payroll under $189M.
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    Re: 2012 Rafael Soriano Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    As recently as the ASG I didn't think there was chance he'd opt out. But if he can opt out and clear that payroll space to sign more pressing needs, by all means see ya!

    And I loved what he did running with the closer job this year. I just don't want the Yanks spending ~$14M per on a closer if they really are going to keep payroll under $189M.
    If his contract would be used to address something else, I'd be happy to see him go. But If they are fixated on 2014, I'm not sure how they'd actually spend that money in 2013 -- there are only so many Kuroda-like guys who are looking for a big one year deal. I guess we'll see what happens if he opts out.
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