2012 Rafael Soriano Performance Thread

[effdamets]

For some reason, when he comes into a game this year, I feel confident.
Well- a lot more than last year anyway.
I think he looks more comfortable and that translates to his getting hitters out.

[ajra21]

For some reason, when he comes into a game this year, I feel confident. Well- a lot more than last year anyway. I think he looks more comfortable and that translates to his getting hitters out.

It's only been a couple of performance, but I tend to agree; Soriano is looking slightly better. The final K last night was right down the middle but it flew by the bat.

[ThePinStripes]

Not a brilliant performance.

[NelsonMuntz]

Slop.

[Huktonfonix]

Not a brilliant performance signing.

Fixed it for you.

[ajra21]

It's only been a couple of performance, but I tend to agree; Soriano is looking slightly better. The final K last night was right down the middle but it flew by the bat.

You are an idiot.

[Eldee5]

You are an idiot.

I think you have to report yourself now.

[EvanJ]

Which signing was worse, Soriano or Farnsworth?

[NelsonMuntz]

Which signing was worse, Soriano or Farnsworth?

I'm going to say Soriano because it was completely unnecessary. When we signed Farnsworth we were absolutely desperate for a set up man and sadly, he was the best available at the time. There was literally no reason to sign Soriano, especially at that ridiculous cost.

[ajra21]

I think you have to report yourself now.

Which signing was worse, Soriano or Farnsworth?

I'm going to say Soriano because it was completely unnecessary. When we signed Farnsworth we were absolutely desperate for a set up man and sadly, he was the best available at the time. There was literally no reason to sign Soriano, especially at that ridiculous cost.

Perfectly said. We had a really good, cheap bullpen with plenty of options. Our GM didn't want him. No one wanted him. That year's draft was strong and deep. He'd had injury concerns in the past. He'd been a little bit of a diva at times. Oh, and that contract. ****ing Randy Levine

[NoodleRay]

He hasn't been good by his own standards, still we've seen enough of him to know that he hasn't done well with large leads. It's the walks that hurt him, still the last time I checked he hasn't lost a game for us, and that's with a split fingernail on his pitching hand!

[DonnieTinoTex]

Francesa is actually bringing up a good point today.

Maybe Brian should consider spinning Soriano to San Fran and put Hughes back in that 7th inning spot. He WAS dominant there and has been inconsistent at best as a starter the past couple of years. Plus we have Andy, Pineda, and what seems like a fruitful tree of solid pitching prospects in the pipeline. And, frankly, Soriano seems like dead weight at times.

I think this could net us some talent, unload some money and shuffle the roster to its most advantageous position.

Thoughts?

[effdamets]

Francesa is actually bringing up a good point today.

Maybe Brian should consider spinning Soriano to San Fran and put Hughes back in that 7th inning spot. He WAS dominant there and has been inconsistent at best as a starter the past couple of years. Plus we have Andy, Pineda, and what seems like a fruitful tree of solid pitching prospects in the pipeline. And, frankly, Soriano seems like dead weight at times.

I think this could net us some talent, unload some money and shuffle the roster to its most advantageous position.

Thoughts?

It makes sense on paper.
But SF has to be willing to take on the money that comes along with the player.

[Yankee Fan in Boston]

It makes sense on paper.
But SF has to be willing to take on the money that comes along with the player.

Agree -- it's a bad contract, with an opt-out. I don't think you'd get much back from a player perspective if they eat the contract.

[DonnieTinoTex]

Agree -- it's a bad contract, with an opt-out. I don't think you'd get much back from a player perspective if they eat the contract.

Definitely a bad contact, but they're a team that needs a fortified closing option. Their candidates are better suited for the set up roles they were in before Wilson got hurt. I've read this from Giants' coverage over the past few days.

Also, San Fran does have the money to make a move if it helps them, and I don't think the talent in return would have to be that high- just something of value. But yes, the money is certainly an issue.

[ajra21]

While I wouldn't start the negotiations with this, if I were Cashman, I'd be happy just to give him away from basically nothing. He could use that money for something of actual worth. Carlos Pena would have been an option without Soriano not that I'm a big fan of his either. If they got a c prospect back but didn't pay another cent of that deal, it would be a huge win. Paying him $11m this year and $14m next year is a ridiculous waste of money.

[effdamets]

While I wouldn't start the negotiations with this, if I were Cashman, I'd be happy just to give him away from basically nothing. He could use that money for something of actual worth. Carlos Pena would have been an option without Soriano not that I'm a big fan of his either. If they got a c prospect back but didn't pay another cent of that deal, it would be a huge win. Paying him $11m this year and $14m next year is a ridiculous waste of money.

Oh - way!
I'd like to see the Yankees look for an outfield prospect in return, if they were going to make a trade..

[NoodleRay]

I'm saying to be careful what you ask for, because you just might get what you want.. I believe that every ones forgetting that he's pitching with a split nail, also he's nothing to look at and some of you don't like his face.

You guys worry about the money too much, George is dead and his sons aren't looking to spend anymore.. Even if they dump his contract, they're not buying anyone else unless they find a pitcher in the 1 or 2 million dollar range. Also you could forget about any American talent, that's why there are so many passionate Met fans, more Americans.

What's the point every time I say something most of you look to differ, many of you know each other by name. I tried showing you just how truthful I am, by putting my real face out there, and speaking from my heart. Do you realize that I feel like not one person likes me? In the game day thread I see that some of you are women, it's a shame that after more then a year I couldn't tell you who... I constantly get buried for bringing up players emotions, and feelings because players are also more then numbers.

[NelsonMuntz]

I'm saying to be careful what you ask for, because you just might get what you want.. I believe that every ones forgetting that he's pitching with a split nail, also he's nothing to look at and some of you don't like his face.

You guys worry about the money too much, George is dead and his sons aren't looking to spend anymore.. Even if they dump his contract, they're not buying anyone else unless they find a pitcher in the 1 or 2 million dollar range. Also you could forget about any American talent, that's why there are so many passionate Met fans, more Americans.

What are we clinging to? The guy has been a shell of his former self since the Yankees signed him. The idea being floated is to move Hughes to the bullpen and ship Soriano to the Giants. Not saying I necessarily endorse that plan but it's a legitimate proposition given the injury to Wilson and our potential excess of starting pitchers. In this scenario there would be no need to "buy" anyone after Soriano is gone but it might create some payroll flexibility should we need to acquire someone at the trade deadline.

[BRNXBMRS]

What are we clinging to? The guy has been a shell of his former self since the Yankees signed him. The idea being floated is to move Hughes to the bullpen and ship Soriano to the Giants. Not saying I necessarily endorse that plan but it's a legitimate proposition given the injury to Wilson and our potential excess of starting pitchers. In this scenario there would be no need to "buy" anyone after Soriano is gone but it might create some payroll flexibility should we need to acquire someone at the trade deadline.

Get it done, I think its a no brainer to trade Soriano to SF.

[NoodleRay]

Get it done, I think its a no brainer to trade Soriano to SF.

All I could say is if Mo or Robertson goes down for any length of time, we would regret not keeping him for insurance of just that. Lets keep in mind that Mo is getting on in years, an if he goes down then what??

[Eldee5]

Robertson closes and Phil Hughes will be the 8th inning guy.

[Yankee Tripper]

Get it done, I think its a no brainer to trade Soriano to SF.

Well I'm not sure the giants sign on for that, in fact I'd be shocked if they they wanted to pick up that kind of coin for a closer, but if the Yanks could move his fianacial commitment to SF, more power the Brian Cashman.

[Yankee Fan in Boston]

Well I'm not sure the giants sign on for that, in fact I'd be shocked if they they wanted to pick up that kind of coin for a closer, but if the Yanks could move his fianacial commitment to SF, more power the Brian Cashman.

I'm dubious about this as well. And I think the Yankees might opt for the depth vs. eating any of the contract if it came to that -- there is value in that, to Noodle's point.

[Huktonfonix]

The Steinbrenners could take the salary savings and light it on fire in the outfield grass and I'd still be in favor of moving Soriano if there are any takers. Beyond his absurd salary, he's got a terrible attitude and his results aren't much better.