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04-09-12 11:33 AM #151
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04-09-12 11:34 AM #152
Re: 2012 Joe Girardi Performance Thread
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04-09-12 11:36 AM #153
Re: 2012 Joe Girardi Performance Thread
Joe Maddon would drive the same people praising him nuts if he was the Yankee manager.
Grass is always greener.
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04-09-12 11:37 AM #154
Re: 2012 Joe Girardi Performance Thread
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04-09-12 11:40 AM #155
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04-09-12 11:42 AM #156
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04-09-12 11:46 AM #157
Re: 2012 Joe Girardi Performance Thread
Do any of you believe that Joe ever goes over the next days pitcher, armed with video tape on what and how they get people out and what there weaknesses may be. Or takes our starting pitcher aside a go over each hitters strengths and weaknesses.
There never seems to be a game plan, have you ever noticed that our opposing teams best hitter always does well against us? Think about it, those are the kind of things that are never brought up. I would think that going into a game, you'd have to go over certain players, and what not to throw or what gets them out.
You just can't leave everything up to the players, I don't care how good a player is they need to be lead, just take a look at certain great managers, how many times have you said wow what great moves and realized that they were the difference in the end. I'm not sure that I've ever thought that about Joe in a game.
Example - How many fast balls in a row will you continue to throw to Pena in an at bat?
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04-09-12 11:48 AM #158
Re: 2012 Joe Girardi Performance Thread
Which of Maddon's decisions are you referring to? Absolutely SSS issues when comparing managers in a 3 game series, we really can't draw any conclusions whatsoever from it in terms of "ability", but I think it would be very hard to say that Maddon didn't appear omniscient with his lineups and especially his defensive alignments.
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04-09-12 11:49 AM #159
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04-09-12 11:50 AM #160
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Re: 2012 Joe Girardi Performance Thread
Doubt it. While Maddon can be quirky and does get a little too cute sometimes, I think he's the best manager in the game, hands down.
Someone above had a really good post where they mentioned how managers interpret data, and that while Girardi has all the data and studies it constantly, but just doesn't seem to always process it correctly. L/R matchups are the perfect example when it comes to Girardi, and even more specifically James Shields. Shields crushes left handed hitters, especially over the last couple years. While his career splits are almost even (though still indicate he's slightly more effective against LHB's), he torched them in 2011. But, he throws with his right hand, so Girardi will unceasingly stack lefties against him every time they match up. Why? Shields has a ridiculous changeup that he uses to punish LHB's. But it doesn't matter because he's a righty, so you can bet all season long he'll see a lot of LHB's when he faces NYY.
Maddon doesn't fall into these antiquated ways of thinking. He looks at what the numbers actually say and reacts accordingly.
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04-09-12 11:51 AM #161
Re: 2012 Joe Girardi Performance Thread
I never said Maddon isn't a good manager.
I said people with personalities wired to complain on a irrational level would complain about Maddon as well if he was the Yankee manager.
For how great Mike Scioscia is perceived for example I'm sure he wouldn't be perceived that way if he was in New York missing the postseason the last two years in 2010 and 2011 like he did with the Angels.
But he's in Southern California so no biggie.
It comes down to winning ball games on the field which in baseball comes down to the players on the field during the 162 game season.
Again I'm not saying don't criticize the manager because I myself mentioned I had issues with the IBB as it was happening on Friday.
I just think some of you think the baseball manager is more important then he actually is when it comes to strategy.
I think a baseball mangers worth has more to do with the handling of personalities in the clubhouse and having your players buy in and play hard for you then actual X's and O's which in the American League there is actually little of to begin with.
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04-09-12 11:55 AM #162
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04-09-12 11:59 AM #163
Re: 2012 Joe Girardi Performance Thread
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04-09-12 12:06 PM #164
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04-09-12 12:11 PM #165
Re: 2012 Joe Girardi Performance Thread
It comes down to the players on the field.
If Joe Maddon had Randy Winn as his best hitter and Victor Zambrano as his "ace" circa Tampa Bay Devil Rays days the results might be a little bit different.
Texas stacked their roster with talent and the Angels missed the postseason the last two years.
I think most of you would say Mike Scioscia is a better manager then Ron Washington I assume, right?
But Washington has had the more talented team over the last two years and the tally is....
Ron Wahington 2 Mike Scioscia 0 in postseason appearances the last two years.
So the Angels go out and sign Pujols and keep their manager go figure.
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04-09-12 12:19 PM #166
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04-09-12 12:20 PM #167
Re: 2012 Joe Girardi Performance Thread
Funny line but my point stands.
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04-09-12 12:23 PM #168
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04-09-12 12:24 PM #169
Re: 2012 Joe Girardi Performance Thread
Have you ever noticed that in NASCAR races that it's not always the fastest car that wins? It takes a team with a brilliant crew chief, an a great game plan. It takes more then players. Although I do agree that Detroit and the Angels are ridiculous, and have a huge advantage.
Monsters that hit over 300 with an on base % of 400 or better, an a great eye to top things off. I believe that each team has two.
I left out tremendous power!
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04-09-12 12:26 PM #170
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04-09-12 12:27 PM #171
Re: 2012 Joe Girardi Performance Thread
If in your mind the answer to your question is no then I would think that's on the hitter, right?
I would hope that if you think the our best hitter struggles against the Angles who ever that may be you would put the blame on the "best" hitter and not on the manager.
It's the "best" hitter doing the hitting not the manager or even the hitting coach.
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04-09-12 12:34 PM #172
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04-09-12 12:35 PM #173
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04-09-12 12:40 PM #174
Re: 2012 Joe Girardi Performance Thread
What happened to the last really stubborn coach we had in NYC? Oh yeah Mike Woodson says hello, Mike D'Antoni
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04-09-12 12:41 PM #175
Re: 2012 Joe Girardi Performance Thread
You're not honestly going to compare the imact of coaching and offense implantation in basketball to baseball are you?
Professional baseball the same sport that hired two baseball mangers to coach the Cardinals(Mike Matheny) and the White Sox(Robin Ventura) with absolutely no baseball managing experience let alone professional experience this past off season.
Would that ever happen in the NBA or NFL?
The hiring of coaches to run pro NBA and NFL team with no coaching experience whatsoever?
It can work in baseball because baseball is a managing of personalities so I'm not judging but that would never happen in the NBA or NFL thus your example is simply foolish.
Coaching strategy and X's and O's really, really matters in the NBA and NFL.
In fact in the NBA and NFL the best coaches, assistants, coordinators for the most part never played a lick of professional basketball or football it's irrelevant to being a good coach in those sports.
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