2012 Joe Girardi Performance Thread

[sweet_lou_14]

It will be torture when he faces Valentine and they try to out manage each other.

You mean Girardi vs. Maddon isn't torturous enough?

[Jace]

Yeah, it was a dumb intentional walk for a lot of reasons. But in general, i dont think a pitcher who has already walked a batter in an inning should be allowed to intentionally walk anyone, especially to load the bases

It just sets up a situation where someone has no command, took 4 pitches off from his normal mechanics, and then has to get someone out with no margin for error. Intentional walks create baserunners, and Bill James already proved Babe Ruth would have been a better offensive player if he walked every single time (even with a league average lineup behind him)

[JSG]

A shocking, sub-moronic, Poindexter-on-brown-acid move from Joey G, first inning first game no less !! ....... R vs L and career stats matchups vacuum-sealed direct from the Black Book, characteristically devoid of common sense. none of those things matter at all when your pitcher is off and has no margin for error. then career stats become more important: 88 OPS+ and 22 HRs vs 124 OPS+ and 259 HRs. only Girardi and Mongo were confused on that one. Pena certainly was not.

[NelsonMuntz]

The crazy thing about Girardi is that despite being bright and statistically inclined, he seems completely oblivious to the concept of small sample size.

[Yanks4eva1]

I know the game was yesterday but I'm still upset by the first inning bonehead move. Was he kidding me? Excuse me but there is more to leadership then looking at a book of stats. First of all, it was the first inning of the first game of the year. You have your ace on the mound. Yet as a manager, you felt compelled to run to the mound to tell CC to walk the next batter? Really? How about demonstrating a little confidence in a man who has proven himself time and time again why he has won 19 games every season as a Yankee. You have a team of professionals. No need to micromanage. None. Put down the dammm book and stop trying to show off your statistical ability. If we're going back to 2008, then I'm glad Sweet Lou is back in the Yankee fold. He can switch places with the Stat Maestro. Or Willie. (isn't he back too?)

[Carsten Charles]

2nd day of the season, Jeter at DH and Nunez at short. Jones in left, Gardner benched.

[NelsonMuntz]

2nd day of the season, Jeter at DH and Nunez at short. Jones in left, Gardner benched.

Yeah, I really dislike the concept of using the DH to "rest" players, especially this early in the season. All it does is put an inferior hitter in the lineup. It's not like you can't get hurt swinging a bat or running the bases.

[Gegbot]

2nd day of the season, Jeter at DH and Nunez at short. Jones in left, Gardner benched.

I really dislike Gardner drawing the short straw, I feel so much better with him on the field. Second game of the year does seem unnecessarily early, but I'd rather see Jeter getting a day off (when he actually needs the rest) or Jones benched, than doing this shuffle that puts Gardner on the sideline.

[Eldee5]

I had posted this in the Nunez thread a couple of days ago but it's relevent here:
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2012/04/0...ind-the-plate/

• Girardi’s made it clear that he plans to play Eduardo Nunez against left-handers, using that as an opportunity to DH either Alex Rodriguez or Derek Jeter. That likely means Brett Gardner will get a lot of days off against lefties while Andruw Jones plays left field. As for Nunez, the Yankees seem to really believe he’ll be productive this season, and they’re planning to start him Saturday against David Price. “I’m not waiting a month this year (to put him in the lineup),” Girardi said.

I hate that Gardner's gotten the short end of the stick on this too. I feel that the Yankees are a better team when he's in the field and on the basepaths.

[rajah]

I really dislike Gardner drawing the short straw, I feel so much better with him on the field. Second game of the year does seem unnecessarily early, but I'd rather see Jeter getting a day off (when he actually needs the rest) or Jones benched, than doing this shuffle that puts Gardner on the sideline.

Well, you can't rest Jeter versus LHed pitching given his splits, which have become more pronounced. And Nunez can be a force against LHed pitching as well.

This will work itself out during the season. We will see how they all hit against lefties, including Gardner.

[rajah]

Yeah, I really dislike the concept of using the DH to "rest" players, especially this early in the season. All it does is put an inferior hitter in the lineup. It's not like you can't get hurt swinging a bat or running the bases.

Management certainly does not consider Nunez an inferior hitter against LHed pitching. I an sure they also recognize the defensive cost in the OF, but they also may think Nunez is potentially superior at SS given his range relative to Jeter's.

[rajah]

One last post here:


I agree with those who have criticized Girardi's walking S Rod to get to Pena in the first. Of course it is easy to say that in hindsight and Joe did have stats to back him up. But as others have pointed out, CC was having trouble locating. This has been and continues to be Girardi's problem: he does not adjust to what has been happening. He continues to be too tied to his stat book.

[Gegbot]

Well, you can't rest Jeter versus LHed pitching given his splits, which have become more pronounced. And Nunez can be a force against LHed pitching as well.

This will work itself out during the season. We will see how they all hit against lefties, including Gardner.

It's not Jeter per se, but that they seem to feel the need play Jones in the field just because it's a lefty and the DH spot is already taken. If we were just comparing Gardners hitting with the others, I wouldn't have a problem with it but when you factor in defense he simply is better than Jones in my book (regardless of righty/lefty).

[rajah]

They made the decision to spend the money to re-sign Jones. They have to make him part of the team unless he fails to do his job. This was all part of the off season strategy in trading Montero to open up the DH. This is what they are going to try, whether we like it or not.

I love Gardner's defense too, but they think they can get more out of this RHed platoon offense.

[NerfBall55]

One last post here:


I agree with those who have criticized Girardi's walking S Rod to get to Pena in the first. Of course it is easy to say that in hindsight and Joe did have stats to back him up. But as others have pointed out, CC was having trouble locating. This has been and continues to be Girardi's problem: he does not adjust to what has been happening. He continues to be too tied to his stat book.

Yeah, but that move didn't take hindsight to know it was dumb. Even ignoring CC's apparent lack of control. Sean Rodriguez, RH or not, stinks.

At worst, he hits a flair and you're down by two. A mistake to Pena and it gets hit to the moon.

Plus, it was the first innning of the friggin' year. You have to trust your staff ace to be able to get Sean Rodriguez out.

[NelsonMuntz]

Management certainly does not consider Nunez an inferior hitter against LHed pitching. I an sure they also recognize the defensive cost in the OF, but they also may think Nunez is potentially superior at SS given his range relative to Jeter's.

Well then management is wrong in this particular instance.

[Gegbot]

They made the decision to spend the money to re-sign Jones. They have to make him part of the team unless he fails to do his job. This was all part of the off season strategy in trading Montero to open up the DH. This is what they are going to try, whether we like it or not.

Just because you sign someone doesn't mean they must play in my book. Besides, Gardner is signed aswell. The better player should be on the field in my opinion, unless it's part of breaking someone in.

That they don't agree with my assessment was obvious even before I made my comment, I was under the impression that this board was here for people like me to voice our opinions.

[ajra21]

I like today's lineup with jester at DH and Nunez at short. I never like Brett sitting because I think he D is always worth having out there. Perhaps in time, Jones will see more time at DH against lefties but I see why they want to keep the right handed in there as much as possible.

[Yankees1962]

Just because you sign someone doesn't mean they must play in my book. Besides, Gardner is signed aswell. The better player should be on the field in my opinion, unless it's part of breaking someone in.

That they don't agree with my assessment was obvious even before I made my comment, I was under the impression that this board was here for people like me to voice our opinions.

When did he say you can't voice your opinion?

[Gegbot]

When did he say you can't voice your opinion?

I don't think he or she did. It was pointed out to me however that the Yankees don't agree with me and I have to deal with it, which is why I responded like that.

[Yankees1962]

I don't think he or she did. It was pointed out to me however that the Yankees don't agree with me and I have to deal with it, which is why I responded like that.

So if he didn't say you can't then what's your beef?

[Torre Must Go]

Did Jeter really need a DH day in Game 2. I know he's 37 and the tarp, but Nunez isn't exactly Gold Glove caliber out there and costs us at least 2 runs and Kuroda's pitch count

[rajah]

Well then management is wrong in this particular instance.

What are they wrong about? Certainly, you agree that Nunez has the potential to be a superior SS to Jeter, or at least the current Jeter, if Nunez could ever get over his nerves throwing. He surely has the range and the arm, and the Yankees are trying to give him a chance to show what he has.

And most people in baseball would say Nunez is a better hitter against LHed pitching than is Gardner.

This is not a crazy lineup.

[2JAY]

It is amazing these 2 games, that every defensive alignment that Joe has tried to use, the Rays have beaten it . While every shift that Maddon has used has been perfect.

[NelsonMuntz]

So Sabathia can't face Sean Rodriguez but he leaves the lefty specialist Rapada in to face Longoria. Awesome.