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    Re: 2012 Joe Girardi Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by NelsonMuntz View Post
    Don't forget the de facto salary cap (i.e., the luxury tax) through the 2014 season. So it's not like they will be able solve their problems by throwing money around, either.
    And there's a chance that they can't sign BOTH Granderson and Cano.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEBOSS84 View Post
    And there's a chance that they can't sign BOTH Granderson and Cano.
    Which might not be a bad thing with a few years down the road.

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    Re: 2012 Joe Girardi Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by NelsonMuntz View Post
    Don't forget the de facto salary cap (i.e., the luxury tax) through the 2014 season. So it's not like they will be able solve their problems by throwing money around, either.
    If attendance and ratings take a dump, I'm not so sure that comes into play.

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    Re: 2012 Joe Girardi Performance Thread

    Wondering why you didn't use Logan in the 6th instead of the 8th, then Phelps.
    Fistpumping like a champion.

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    Re: 2012 Joe Girardi Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by just-blaze View Post
    Wondering why you didn't use Logan in the 6th instead of the 8th, then Phelps.
    He said something in the postgame presser to the effect that he didn't want to use Logan early because Logan was his guy for the later innings.

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    oh god we can't use closer with a tied game
    always reasonable

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    Re: 2012 Joe Girardi Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by awy View Post
    oh god we can't use closer with a tied game
    not when u are away

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    not when you are away!
    always reasonable

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    Save the pen, sacrifice the game.
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    Re: 2012 Joe Girardi Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by awy View Post
    not when you are away!
    Earlier this month Madden used his closer at the Stadium in the 8th inning with the Rays down a run and won the game because of it.

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    Re: 2012 Joe Girardi Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by NelsonMuntz View Post
    Don't forget the de facto salary cap (i.e., the luxury tax) through the 2014 season. So it's not like they will be able solve their problems by throwing money around, either.
    Yep...this is the disconcerting thing to me. Lets say we miss the playoffs or go out in the 1st round again this year. With no prospects ready to help the team, with the team focused on getting to 189 by 2014...how does this team get better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ymike673 View Post
    Earlier this month Madden used his closer at the Stadium in the 8th inning with the Rays down a run and won the game because of it.
    Madden has also used his number 3 and 4 hitters to sac bunt early in games.

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    Re: 2012 Joe Girardi Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by dabomb2045 View Post
    Yep...this is the disconcerting thing to me. Lets say we miss the playoffs or go out in the 1st round again this year. With no prospects ready to help the team, with the team focused on getting to 189 by 2014...how does this team get better?
    Yep, we share the same concern. I'll probably get killed for saying this but, if ownership is truly serious about getting under 189 by 2014, at some point do the Yankees consider becoming "sellers" (e.g., try to move Granderson and/or Swisher) to try to net some MLB ready (or near ready) prospects?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NelsonMuntz View Post
    Yep, we share the same concern. I'll probably get killed for saying this but, if ownership is truly serious about getting under 189 by 2014, at some point do the Yankees consider becoming "sellers" (e.g., try to move Granderson and/or Swisher) to try to net some MLB ready (or near ready) prospects?
    Ownership needs to look about 10 miles into the next borough to see what happens when payroll is cut and product on the field suffers. For what the Yankees charge they must have a playoff team and World Series contender on the field every season.

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    Re: 2012 Joe Girardi Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by NelsonMuntz View Post
    Yep, we share the same concern. I'll probably get killed for saying this but, if ownership is truly serious about getting under 189 by 2014, at some point do the Yankees consider becoming "sellers" (e.g., try to move Granderson and/or Swisher) to try to net some MLB ready (or near ready) prospects?
    That honestly might be the only way of improving the team over the next few years. I know people dislike Swisher and he doesnt hit in the playoffs....but he's a mid .800 OPS guy since he's been here. That is not easily replaced. So when he walks after the season, and the team doesnt wanna spend money on the position....who is in RF? There is nobody on the farm ready. So are we stuck signing some cheap stop gap player, who's past his prime? I'll vomit if we have an OF of Gardner, Granderson, Jones or Gardner, Granderson, Ibanez next year. But thats likely what will happen--we'll pickup a late 30's player on a 1 year deal.

    Maybe its just me, but I look at the roster next year and I see alot of problems. RF....C....DH...the rotation. Not to mention the continued decline of older players like ARod. I really would love anyone to explain to me how these holes get filled when a) we're not gonna invest in the FA market and b) we have nobody in the system ready to come up.

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    Re: 2012 Joe Girardi Performance Thread

    The answer is not promising - be bad enough for long enough to get high draft picks and develop them (develop - NY? ) Like the years that led to Jeter/Posada/Andy/Mo? But as someone said, the price structure of the stadium these days does not really work with that game plan!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dabomb2045 View Post
    That honestly might be the only way of improving the team over the next few years. I know people dislike Swisher and he doesnt hit in the playoffs....but he's a mid .800 OPS guy since he's been here. That is not easily replaced. So when he walks after the season, and the team doesnt wanna spend money on the position....who is in RF? There is nobody on the farm ready. So are we stuck signing some cheap stop gap player, who's past his prime? I'll vomit if we have an OF of Gardner, Granderson, Jones or Gardner, Granderson, Ibanez next year. But thats likely what will happen--we'll pickup a late 30's player on a 1 year deal.

    Maybe its just me, but I look at the roster next year and I see alot of problems. RF....C....DH...the rotation. Not to mention the continued decline of older players like ARod. I really would love anyone to explain to me how these holes get filled when a) we're not gonna invest in the FA market and b) we have nobody in the system ready to come up.
    And the one trade chip we had (Montero) that could have been used to fill one or two of those holes is now gone.

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    Re: 2012 Joe Girardi Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by dabomb2045 View Post
    That honestly might be the only way of improving the team over the next few years. I know people dislike Swisher and he doesnt hit in the playoffs....but he's a mid .800 OPS guy since he's been here. That is not easily replaced. So when he walks after the season, and the team doesnt wanna spend money on the position....who is in RF? There is nobody on the farm ready. So are we stuck signing some cheap stop gap player, who's past his prime? I'll vomit if we have an OF of Gardner, Granderson, Jones or Gardner, Granderson, Ibanez next year. But thats likely what will happen--we'll pickup a late 30's player on a 1 year deal.

    Maybe its just me, but I look at the roster next year and I see alot of problems. RF....C....DH...the rotation. Not to mention the continued decline of older players like ARod. I really would love anyone to explain to me how these holes get filled when a) we're not gonna invest in the FA market and b) we have nobody in the system ready to come up.
    Swisher is on the wrong side of 30 and is a complimentry player, not someone you build your offense around. IMO, he does not fit the profile of a player that you give a long term contract. According to Micheal Kay, he asked for a Jayson Werth type deal when the Yankees explored an extension of the winter. If someone is foolish enough to offer him anything close to that type of deal you wish him well on his new team. I would not commit anything more than 2-3 years at AAV of about 10 million.

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    I'm all for trading swisher and maybe even soriano if we can get major league ready quality players
    I'm NO american born confused desi, but i love my yanks!

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    Re: 2012 Joe Girardi Performance Thread

    Can't afford to trade Soriano, since we don't know for certain whether Mo will be able to return next year. However if he ends up being the closer, I would think Soriano might opt out after this year to become a closer somewhere else if it does seem that Mo will return.

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    Re: 2012 Joe Girardi Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by indianyanksfan View Post
    I'm all for trading swisher and maybe even soriano if we can get major league ready quality players
    Then, you are all for giving up on trying to win this season, because no team that would want either Swisher or Soriano mid-season is going to trade something that is going to help a team win this year.

    I know the team has not looked great, but there is no way that the Yankee FO is going to tell the fans that they have given up on this season, nor should they.

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    Re: 2012 Joe Girardi Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Art Vanderlay View Post
    Swisher is on the wrong side of 30 and is a complimentry player, not someone you build your offense around. IMO, he does not fit the profile of a player that you give a long term contract. According to Micheal Kay, he asked for a Jayson Werth type deal when the Yankees explored an extension of the winter. If someone is foolish enough to offer him anything close to that type of deal you wish him well on his new team. I would not commit anything more than 2-3 years at AAV of about 10 million.
    lol what?

    His WAR has been fantastic every year for 7 straight years, save the one year he crashed in Chicago under Ozzy and they were stupid enough to trade him to us for Betimet
    Year/ WAR/ Value
    2006 3.9 $14.6
    2007 3.9 $15.9
    2008 1.3 $3.6
    2009 3.2 $14.2M
    2010 4.1 $16.4M
    2011 3.8 $17.0M

    You think he's going to get signed for a 2/$20 or 3/$30 deal?

    He's going to get an AAV around $14 or $15 for 4-5 years. He's a great player.
    A fool and his money can throw one heck of a party!

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    Re: 2012 Joe Girardi Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by rajah View Post
    Then, you are all for giving up on trying to win this season, because no team that would want either Swisher or Soriano mid-season is going to trade something that is going to help a team win this year.

    I know the team has not looked great, but there is no way that the Yankee FO is going to tell the fans that they have given up on this season, nor should they.
    I could not agree more as the Yankees have played bad baseball almost all year long yet they are only 1.5 games out of first.

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    I'm not giving up on this year. But w the salary cut which is looming and no position prospects in the upper levels it's a way to try to avoid a prolonged dark period
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    Re: 2012 Joe Girardi Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePinStripes View Post
    You think he's going to get signed for a 2/$20 or 3/$30 deal?

    He's going to get an AAV around $14 or $15 for 4-5 years. He's a great player.
    I think Art is low on what Swisher will get but I think you are on the high end. I think something in the middle a 3 or 4 year deal with a ~$12.5M AAV seems like what he'll get. He's younger and less injury prone but not as good as Carlos Beltran who got 2/$26M from the Cards last year.
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