2012 Joe Girardi Performance Thread

[CyYoung4Vazquez]

He sounds like a fool during these press conferences.

[Eldee5]

I don't know why I'm watching Girardi's post-game press conference.
I'm ready to throw my shoe at the television.

[Blazer]

He sounds like a fool during these press conferences.

Stupid is as stupid does.

[bomber999]

What pearls of wisdom did Girardi shower upon us tonight?

[2JAY]

What pearls of wisdom did Girardi shower upon us tonight?

"we're swinging the bats good, I like the effort, Kuroda battled, just didn't get that big hit....."
The typical 2012 Yankee recipe.

[Art Vanderlay]

I would say yes. Whether it is fair or not, and you can argue both sides, I think if a Yankee manager misses the playoffs twice, then he is gone.

I don't understand this line of thinking. I honestly cannot think of anything meaningful that the manager could be doing different. The record is a direct result of injuries and lack of performance by key players. They can certainly change managers if thats what they want, but while they're at it how about just a little scrutiny for the teflon GM? WHat happened to this great farm system he's been building since 2005? Where are the replacements now that their needed?

[bomber999]

I don't understand this line of thinking. I honestly cannot think of anything meaningful that the manager could be doing different. The record is a direct result of injuries and lack of performance by key players. They can certainly change managers if thats what they want, but while they're at it how about just a little scrutiny for the teflon GM? WHat happened to this great farm system he's been building since 2005? Where are the replacements now that their needed?

I would rather keep Girardi and let Cashman go.

[ArodEra]

I don't understand this line of thinking. I honestly cannot think of anything meaningful that the manager could be doing different. The record is a direct result of injuries and lack of performance by key players. They can certainly change managers if thats what they want, but while they're at it how about just a little scrutiny for the teflon GM? WHat happened to this great farm system he's been building since 2005? Where are the replacements now that their needed?

For all the premature accolades Cashman has received, the future for this Yankee team could very well be the bleakest in the last 20+ somewhat years, possibly even dating back to the 80's. If the 2 remaining killer B's don't pan out, I don't think anyone can argue differently. The result is a seemingly overrated, underwhelming farm and far too many piss poor decisions, many of them costly.

[rajah]

I don't understand this line of thinking. I honestly cannot think of anything meaningful that the manager could be doing different. The record is a direct result of injuries and lack of performance by key players.

You can't have it both ways. You tell me that we can judge Girardi by the team's success in making the playoffs over the past few years, but now you say we can't judge him by the team's failures. If the manager is given credit for the performance of key players, then he has to be blamed for non-performance.

The game threads and the Girardi threads over the past years are filled with analysis of his many inexplicable in-game moves, as well as many of your tortured attempts to defend those moves. If Cashman can be judged because an injury or some other unpredictable development makes a promising trade look bad, then Girardi can be judged when his odd moves back fire.

I don't know how he is handling the club house and how the players are responding to him. I don't know whether Girardi and his coaches can get production out of this very talented team, and I agree he certainly deserves a long chance to try. I think the wheel will turn, and barring further key injuries, the Yankees will make the playoffs as they should. But if they don't, ownership will have to make a move.

[snapple]

I think Joe accepts that this is a game that revolves around failure and people have a hard time computing that.

[rajah]

the future for this Yankee team could very well be the bleakest in the last 20+ somewhat years, possibly even dating back to the 80's

There is, understandably given the current streak, a lot of excessive hand wringing on this fan Board, but comparing the current state of the Yankees to the late 80s takes the cake for over reaction. There is no way this team is going to have a decade plus absence from the playoffs, if only because of the YES network. People need to chill a bit, read a book, or follow another sport if necessary. The wheel will turn, next year, even if not this year. And, if it doesn't, it still will be fun to be optimistic about the following year. Let's save words like "bleak" for the state of the planet or the poor.

[ArodEra]

There is, understandably given the current streak, a lot of excessive hand wringing on this fan Board, but comparing the current state of the Yankees to the late 80s takes the cake for over reaction. There is no way this team is going to have a decade plus absence from the playoffs, if only because of the YES network. People need to chill a bit, read a book, or follow another sport if necessary. The wheel will turn, next year, even if not this year. And, if it doesn't, it still will be fun to be optimistic about the following year. Let's save words like "bleak" for the state of the planet or the poor.

Given the age of key players on this team and decline of other key players, of some costly, poor decisions, how bereft the farm system is of any impact position players, of the failure of this team to develop young arms (2 B's left), please tell us which Yankee team since the late 80's/early 90s had such a bleak (yes, bleak) future as this one, devoid of much promise within the organization. You seem to know that the future holds in store. Save the ole Yankee way of buying players - another crapshoot, what exactly do you see on the horizon that looks so promising? Oh, and the next time I use the word "bleak" I'll make sure to get your approval to make sure I'm using it appropriately. Edit: What's going on with the format here? Paragraphs aren't appearing.

[GordonGecko]

Just watched Moneyball last night. Pretty boring movie but had its interesting parts. A good part was Billy Beane telling Art Howe lefty righty matchups are meaningless.

Girardi, listen to Billy Beane.

[snapple]

Just watched Moneyball last night. Pretty boring movie but had its interesting parts. A good part was Billy Beane telling Art Howe lefty righty matchups are meaningless.

Girardi, listen to Billy Beane.

BORING? The movie was fantastic!

They have meaning in certain spots. Like Rapada. He gets lefties out no biggy, but he makes righties look like Ruth. Or was that Cabral? I can't remember.

[GordonGecko]

BORING? The movie was fantastic!

Yeah, it was too slow. Way too many extended shots of Brad Pitt driving around totally pointless. I liked the whole behind the scenes GM stuff and the birth of applying SABR but I thought the overall execution was less than entertaining for a full feature movie

[snapple]

Yeah, it was too slow. Way too many extended shots of Brad Pitt driving around totally pointless. I liked the whole behind the scenes GM stuff and the birth of applying SABR but I thought the overall execution was less than entertaining for a full feature movie

I can see that, but I disagree. The walkoff scene was absolutely break taking.

[rajah]

Given the age of key players on this team and decline of other key players, of some costly, poor decisions, how bereft the farm system is of any impact position players, of the failure of this team to develop young arms (2 B's left), please tell us which Yankee team since the late 80's/early 90s had such a bleak (yes, bleak) future as this one, devoid of much promise within the organization. You seem to know that the future holds in store. Save the ole Yankee way of buying players - another crapshoot, what exactly do you see on the horizon that looks so promising? Oh, and the next time I use the word "bleak" I'll make sure to get your approval to make sure I'm using it appropriately. Edit: What's going on with the format here? Paragraphs aren't appearing.

No; neither one of us can predict the future. I prefer to be optimistic and hopeful when it comes to something ultimately as inconsequential as sports, especially baseball, an unpredictable game that starts in the spring. If you prefer to be a pessimist, that is your right.

And, yes, my optimism about the Yankees has something to do with the relative size of their budget, along with the fact that the farm system has been ranked in the top half recently. There may not be anything there to help them this year, but if we are comparing the 80s, we are talking about a decade without being in the playoffs. I sure wish I could place a large wager with you about the future of the Yankees.

[Yankee Tripper]

There is, understandably given the current streak, a lot of excessive hand wringing on this fan Board, but comparing the current state of the Yankees to the late 80s takes the cake for over reaction. There is no way this team is going to have a decade plus absence from the playoffs, if only because of the YES network. People need to chill a bit, read a book, or follow another sport if necessary. The wheel will turn, next year, even if not this year. And, if it doesn't, it still will be fun to be optimistic about the following year. Let's save words like "bleak" for the state of the planet or the poor.

The state of the Yankees doesn't eactly look rosy at this point.

They have a 32 year old 1st baseman whose OPS+ has dropped 4 consecutive years and is signed for 4 more at $22.5 per.

They have a 34 year old 3rd baseman whose OPS+ has dropped 5 consecutive year and is signed for 5 more years at an average of $22.8M with a potential $30M more in bouneses.

2 of their 5 SP are 37 year old or older and not signed past this year.

3 of the pitchers supposed to fill in in coming years - Pineda (shoulder done for year recovery unknown) Betances (can't find the plate in AAA) and Banuelos (elbow issues - uh, oh) don't look like they will be providing any immediate relief.

There is a lot of reason to believe this team should be better than 500 and should contend for a playoff spot this year even with the flaws they have but this doesn't look like a franchise with a terribly bright future then next few years unless some things start breaking right for them.

[Yankees1962]

The state of the Yankees doesn't eactly look rosy at this point.

They have a 32 year old 1st baseman whose OPS+ has dropped 4 consecutive years and is signed for 4 more at $22.5 per.

They have a 34 year old 3rd baseman whose OPS+ has dropped 5 consecutive year and is signed for 5 more years at an average of $22.8M with a potential $30M more in bouneses.

2 of their 5 SP are 37 year old or older and not signed past this year.

3 of the pitchers supposed to fill in in coming years - Pineda (shoulder done for year recovery unknown) Betances (can't find the plate in AAA) and Banuelos (elbow issues - uh, oh) don't look like they will be providing any immediate relief.

There is a lot of reason to believe this team should be better than 500 and should contend for a playoff spot this year even with the flaws they have but this doesn't look like a franchise with a terribly bright future then next few years unless some things start breaking right for them.

That's fine if that's what you think, but I'm more of a optimist than you. The Yankee organization had a couple of rough months, but every team has some peaks and valleys. Right now, we're in a valley and only time will tell if that valley is the norm for an extended period of time.

[Art Vanderlay]

I would rather keep Girardi and let Cashman go.

Just for the record, I don't think anyone should be let go. IMO, its absolutely ridiculous to consider firing Giradi at this point. Jim Leyland and Mike Sciocia's teams are under .500 right now, should they be fired also? Each of these managers have won championships, so I would like to know when did they become stupid? The Yankees have hit a rough patch with injuries and key players underperforming, Giradi is doing the best he can with the hand he has been dealt. Those of you that are expecting him to rip his players in the post game press conferences are just grasping for straws. If Giradi did that it would be suicide as he would lose the clubhouse. Player development and procurement is a much larger area of concern than the field manager.

[snapple]

Just for the record, I don't think anyone should be let go. IMO, its absolutely ridiculous to consider firing Giradi at this point. Jim Leyland and Mike Sciocia's teams are under .500 right now, should they be fired also? Each of these managers have won championships, so I would like to know when did they become stupid? The Yankees have hit a rough patch with injuries and key players underperforming, Giradi is doing the best he can with the hand he has been dealt. Those of you that are expecting him to rip his players in the post game press conferences are just grasping for straws. If Giradi did that it would be suicide as he would lose the clubhouse. Player development and procurement is a much larger area of concern than the field manager.

I have to say, normally your posts agitate me. This, however, was flawless AND true.

[JSG]

"we're swinging the bats good, I like the effort, Kuroda battled, just didn't get that big hit....."

The typical 2012 Yankee recipe.

i can't figure out if girardi is scripting bomber999's posts of if he's scripting girardi's press conferences.

[-tz]

"Wisey"!

[TheStraw]

What pearls of wisdom did Girardi shower upon us tonight?

"wisey"

Wisey, Nixie and Stewie...nyuk, nyuk,nyuk

[NelsonMuntz]

The state of the Yankees doesn't eactly look rosy at this point.

They have a 32 year old 1st baseman whose OPS+ has dropped 4 consecutive years and is signed for 4 more at $22.5 per.

They have a 34 year old 3rd baseman whose OPS+ has dropped 5 consecutive year and is signed for 5 more years at an average of $22.8M with a potential $30M more in bouneses.

2 of their 5 SP are 37 year old or older and not signed past this year.

3 of the pitchers supposed to fill in in coming years - Pineda (shoulder done for year recovery unknown) Betances (can't find the plate in AAA) and Banuelos (elbow issues - uh, oh) don't look like they will be providing any immediate relief.

There is a lot of reason to believe this team should be better than 500 and should contend for a playoff spot this year even with the flaws they have but this doesn't look like a franchise with a terribly bright future then next few years unless some things start breaking right for them.

Don't forget the de facto salary cap (i.e., the luxury tax) through the 2014 season. So it's not like they will be able solve their problems by throwing money around, either.