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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by THEBOSS84 View Post
    Who are you referring to besides Granderson?

    Also, I wonder if what I said is a legit stat (I just tweeted Jayson Stark to ask). Has there ever been a player bat above .310 with 80+ XBH and not drive in 100 runs?
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    Rk             Player RBI   BA XBH Year Age  Tm
    1    Johnny Frederick  75 .328  82 1929  27 BRO
    2      Hanley Ramirez  81 .332  83 2007  23 FLA
    3         Stan Musial  81 .357  81 1943  22 STL
    4          Paul Waner  82 .341  80 1932  29 PIT
    5         Wally Moses  86 .320  86 1937  26 PHA
    6          Dick Allen  91 .318  80 1964  22 PHI
    7       Robinson Cano  94 .313  82 2012  29 NYY
    8          Tony Oliva  94 .323  84 1964  25 MIN
    9      Rogers Hornsby  94 .424  82 1924  28 STL
    10        Todd Helton  96 .347  83 2004  30 COL
    11        Willie Mays  97 .333  81 1957  26 NYG
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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Snatch Catch View Post
    Shame on you for not having a BR subscription (seriously).

    Code:
                                                   
    Rk             Player RBI   BA XBH Year Age  Tm
    1    Johnny Frederick  75 .328  82 1929  27 BRO
    2      Hanley Ramirez  81 .332  83 2007  23 FLA
    3         Stan Musial  81 .357  81 1943  22 STL
    4          Paul Waner  82 .341  80 1932  29 PIT
    5         Wally Moses  86 .320  86 1937  26 PHA
    6          Dick Allen  91 .318  80 1964  22 PHI
    7       Robinson Cano  94 .313  82 2012  29 NYY
    8          Tony Oliva  94 .323  84 1964  25 MIN
    9      Rogers Hornsby  94 .424  82 1924  28 STL
    10        Todd Helton  96 .347  83 2004  30 COL
    11        Willie Mays  97 .333  81 1957  26 NYG
    Thanks. So just as I suspected, it's extremely rare.

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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    willie mays choker
    always reasonable

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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    Same chart, but including, and sorted by, the bWAR posted in their seasons.

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    Rk             Player WAR/pos XBH   BA RBI Year Age
    1      Rogers Hornsby    12.0  82 .424  94 1924  28
    2         Stan Musial     9.3  81 .357  81 1943  22
    3          Dick Allen     8.5  80 .318  91 1964  22
    4       Robinson Cano     8.2  82 .313  94 2012  29
    5         Willie Mays     8.0  81 .333  97 1957  26
    6         Todd Helton     7.9  83 .347  96 2004  30
    7          Tony Oliva     6.6  84 .323  94 1964  25
    8          Paul Waner     5.3  80 .341  82 1932  29
    9         Wally Moses     4.5  86 .320  86 1937  26
    10     Hanley Ramirez     4.1  83 .332  81 2007  23
    11   Johnny Frederick     3.7  82 .328  75 1929  27
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    Quote Originally Posted by awy View Post
    willie mays choker
    The Man, Big Poison, Hornsby too.

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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    A WAR of 8.2 is nothing to sneeze at. I think 8.0 or greater is considered MVP production. Funny as it sounds, I think Robbie has the potential to put up even bigger numbers. All he needs is better pitch recognition, and this year, he layed off more bad pitches than ever before.

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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    When Rogers Hornsby was a manager, he once called one of his players a talking pile of pigsh!t right in front of the player's parents, who had drove all the way from Michigan to watch their son play. Presumably, the player quit baseball because of this and went into acting instead.

    He later won two Academy Awards.
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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

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    ..... He later won two Academy Awards.
    OK, you got me. Who ??!!!

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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by JSG View Post
    OK, you got me. Who ??!!!
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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    If you wondered when Robinson Cano was going to take over this Yankee team, make it his the way it has been owned by stars such as Derek Jeter, we might have seen the beginning of it on Wednesday night.
    Last year apparently never happened.

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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Carsten Charles View Post
    So is Jeter still the MVP of the team?
    If either Cano or Jeter were out of the line-up they would find a way to win, if both were out of the line-up at the same time, we would not be in the playoffs now. Because when Jeter and Cano are both hot it drives the offense. Jeter and Cano are the best hitters on the team, hands down. I don't think anyone is going to argue that.

    So, I think Jeter and Cano are both equally important in the line-up that makes a difference.

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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by NYRangers79 View Post
    If either Cano or Jeter were out of the line-up they would find a way to win, if both were out of the line-up at the same time, we would not be in the playoffs now. Because when Jeter and Cano are both hot it drives the offense. Jeter and Cano are the best hitters on the team, hands down. I don't think anyone is going to argue that.

    So, I think Jeter and Cano are both equally important in the line-up that makes a difference.
    That is a ridiculous way of looking at it and there is not one logical argument saying Jeter is the MVP of the team. Cano beats (or destroys) him in every meaningful stat besides stolen bases.

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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Carsten Charles View Post
    That is a ridiculous way of looking at it and there is not one logical argument saying Jeter is the MVP of the team. Cano beats (or destroys) him in every meaningful stat besides stolen bases.
    How is it ridiculous seeing Jeter as one of the more valuable players this year on the team? Plus, I never said Jeter was the MVP, and I never said Cano was either. If Cano did not have his tear the last week or so, how would it sit? When Cano slumped Jeter was on fire. So give me a break. PLUS! Jeter was playing hurt and still managed to keep his BA high.

    Throwing MVP out the window, Jeter sets a tone and sets an example for the other players, this is something Cano has not acheived yet. It's the little things like hustling to 1st base everytime the ball is hit and not just staring at it. Cano is great but he still does not have the entire package of Derek Jeter and that is why he is captain, where Cano will likely never get that position.

    I think it is more ridiculous not seeing what Jeter has done for the team this year.

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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by teknetic View Post
    Last year apparently never happened.
    I was talking to a former co-worker last night, he said "Cano cannot shine Jeter's shoes" & this woman said "Cano is only on a hot streak."

    Wow. It's always an "intangible" factor when discussing the two it seems. That's when I just bow out of the conversation.

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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Jax Teller View Post
    I was talking to a former co-worker last night, he said "Cano cannot shine Jeter's shoes" & this woman said "Cano is only on a hot streak."

    Wow. It's always an "intangible" factor when discussing the two it seems. That's when I just bow out of the conversation.
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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by RhodyYanksFan View Post
    Except when the guys hitting 2 & 3 have career high HR numbers thus leaving you with empty bases.
    In 1927 Lou Gehrig came up to plate 60 times with the bases empty due to Ruth clearing them in the previous at bat, and he still drove in 170 runs.

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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by NYRangers79 View Post
    How is it ridiculous seeing Jeter as one of the more valuable players this year on the team? Plus, I never said Jeter was the MVP, and I never said Cano was either. If Cano did not have his tear the last week or so, how would it sit? When Cano slumped Jeter was on fire. So give me a break. PLUS! Jeter was playing hurt and still managed to keep his BA high.

    Throwing MVP out the window, Jeter sets a tone and sets an example for the other players, this is something Cano has not acheived yet. It's the little things like hustling to 1st base everytime the ball is hit and not just staring at it. Cano is great but he still does not have the entire package of Derek Jeter and that is why he is captain, where Cano will likely never get that position.

    I think it is more ridiculous not seeing what Jeter has done for the team this year.
    Well Cano was on fire the last week so it counts especially because those games were extremely important. Even before the last week, Cano's OPS was 100 points higher than Jeter's. Then add in defense. It's a no brainer. Cano is the MVP of the team and its not even close.

    Also, show me where I said Jeter wasn't one of the most valuable players on the team.

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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    He turns 30 this month

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    Quote Originally Posted by madjack View Post
    In 1927 Lou Gehrig came up to plate 60 times with the bases empty due to Ruth clearing them in the previous at bat, and he still drove in 170 runs.
    Yes, Ruth himself was terrible at getting on base if he didn't hit HR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madjack View Post
    In 1927 Lou Gehrig came up to plate 60 times with the bases empty due to Ruth clearing them in the previous at bat, and he still drove in 170 runs.
    Ruth also had a .486 OBP that year.

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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Carsten Charles View Post
    Ruth also had a .486 OBP that year.
    Ruth was clogging the basepaths before it was cool.
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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by madjack View Post
    In 1927 Lou Gehrig came up to plate 60 times with the bases empty due to Ruth clearing them in the previous at bat, and he still drove in 170 runs.
    Different era. Higher offensive environment.

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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by 1936-1939JoeNLou View Post
    Different era. Higher offensive environment.
    And less quality pitching. You didn't have lefty specialists throwing 96mph coming out of the pen in the 1920s. You don't have a righty throwing 97mph coming out of the pen, etc.

    Pitchers in that era pretty much finished the game they started and wore down towards the end of games. Seeing the same guy 4 times?

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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Carsten Charles View Post
    Ruth also had a .486 OBP that year.
    Someone had to drive him home. It's not like Ruth was on third base every time, and Gehrig hit 170 sac flys.

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