2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

[philleotardo]

Best player on the team has a 12 page performance thread. Pineda's is 100.

[Mr Coffee]

Best player on the team has a 12 page performance thread. Pineda's is 100.

It's what they call an inverse relationship.

[Carsten Charles]

Check that RISP stat and you'll know why.

So Jeter gets the MVP because he's better with RISP while Cano is better at pretty much everything else?

Makes sense...

[b_joseph]

Best player on the team has a 12 page performance thread. Pineda's is 100.

He's having a strange season. Good enough to avoid negativity ( well, for the most part ) but not special enough to generate fawning.
He has placed a high bar for himself.

[NYYankeesFan92]

Best player on the team has a 12 page performance thread. Pineda's is 100.

Who? Derek Jeter? His performance thread has 34 pages.

[awy]

rofl jeter is not the best player on the team.

[1936-1939JoeNLou]

Who? Derek Jeter? His performance thread has 34 pages.

What a fanboy. Jeter is nowhere near Cano.

[NYYankeesFan92]

rofl jeter is not the best player on the team.

What a fanboy. Jeter is nowhere near Cano.

Save your breath for your next blow up date.

[NYRangers79]

Save your breath for your next blow up date.

LOL, good one.

[NYRangers79]

So Jeter gets the MVP because he's better with RISP while Cano is better at pretty much everything else?

Makes sense...

Cano's job is to drive in runs. He should be over 90 now for a MVP year. There are 3 guys on the team with more RBI's than him. He is under 80 and has not really missed any games this year. He is not having one of his best seasons.

Jeter's job is to get on base and score runs. He leads the team in hits, average, runs, average with RISP, and is 2nd in OBP. So tell me why Jeter being MVP is so hard to believe?

[Yankee Fan in Boston]

Cano's job is to drive in runs. He should be over 90 now for a MVP year. There are 3 guys on the team with more RBI's than him. He is under 80 and has not really missed any games this year. He is not having one of his best seasons.

Jeter's job is to get on base and score runs. He leads the team in hits, average, runs, average with RISP, and is 2nd in OBP. So tell me why Jeter being MVP is so hard to believe?

Because there are far more sophisticated ways to measure value?

Otherwise, we could say: starting pitchers jobs are to win games. Phil Hughes has the most wins on the Yankees. Phil Hughes is the Yankees best starting pitcher.

[Carsten Charles]

Cano's job is to drive in runs. He should be over 90 now for a MVP year. There are 3 guys on the team with more RBI's than him. He is under 80 and has not really missed any games this year. He is not having one of his best seasons.

Jeter's job is to get on base and score runs. He leads the team in hits, average, runs, average with RISP, and is 2nd in OBP. So tell me why Jeter being MVP is so hard to believe?

Clay Rapada's job is to get lefties out. He has done that better than pretty much everyone in the league. I think we might be looking at the AL MVP and Cy Young here.

Judging the MVP by what their job is on the team is worse than determining MVP based on who is in the playoffs. Maybe Cano wouldn't have so few RBIs if he didn't have Teixeira and Granderson with their poor OBPs hitting in front of them. On a separate note, using RBIs to evaluate a player is a terrible way to determine value, or anything really.

[Benefactor]

Clay Rapada's job is to get lefties out. He has done that better than pretty much everyone in the league. I think we might be looking at the AL MVP and Cy Young here.

Judging the MVP by what their job is on the team is worse than determining MVP based on who is in the playoffs. Maybe Cano wouldn't have so few RBIs if he didn't have Teixeira and Granderson with their poor OBPs hitting in front of them. On a separate note, using RBIs to evaluate a player is a terrible way to determine value, or anything really.

Sure, Cano can be MVP. And when the team needs a homer, he's the guy. In just about every other possible scenario imaginable, I'd rather see Jeter at the plate.

[Yankee Fan in Boston]

Sure, Cano can be MVP. And when the team needs a homer, he's the guy. In just about every other possible scenario imaginable, I'd rather see Jeter at the plate.

He also gets on base at a better clip than Jeter. Jeter's having a tremendous year, but I don't think it's an insult to him to point out the Cano makes fewer outs and also hits for more power. And Cano's also been intentionally walked more than the 2nd and 3rd guys in that category on the team -- meaning other teams are pitching around him in important situations.

It's hard to imagine a scenario where he isn't more valuable.

[sweet_lou_14]

It's hard to imagine a scenario where he isn't more valuable.

When a lefty's on the mound?

[Benefactor]

He also gets on base at a better clip than Jeter. Jeter's having a tremendous year, but I don't think it's an insult to him to point out the Cano makes fewer outs and also hits for more power. And Cano's also been intentionally walked more than the 2nd and 3rd guys in that category on the team -- meaning other teams are pitching around him in important situations.

It's hard to imagine a scenario where he isn't more valuable.

Oh, I see how this debate got started.

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/po...-more-valuable

Offensively, the numbers are a lot closer than you're suggesting.

Btw, without looking, I bet more than half those walks came batting 4th or 5th in the lineup. I would walk my own Grandmother any day of the week to get to Jones, Ibanez, Martin or whoever else Joe decides to stash their.

[teknetic]

Cano's job is to drive in runs. He should be over 90 now for a MVP year. There are 3 guys on the team with more RBI's than him. He is under 80 and has not really missed any games this year. He is not having one of his best seasons.

Jeter's job is to get on base and score runs. He leads the team in hits, average, runs, average with RISP, and is 2nd in OBP. So tell me why Jeter being MVP is so hard to believe?

A 141 OPS+ isn't what it used to be.

[Yankee Fan in Boston]

Oh, I see how this debate got started.

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/po...-more-valuable

Offensively, the numbers are a lot closer than you're suggesting.

Btw, without looking, I bet more than half those walks came batting 4th or 5th in the lineup. I would walk my own Grandmother any day of the week to get to Jones, Ibanez, Martin or whoever else Joe decides to stash their.

I never saw that article, and haven't participated in most of this debate, but the numbers aren't really that close. Right now, Cano's wRC+ is 143 and his WAR is 6.3, and Jeter is at 121 and 3.5, respectively. Cano has a slightly better OBP and a much better slugging percentage.

But, Sweet Lou does have a point - Jeter is probably the team MVP against LHs

[ThePinStripes]

Oh, I see how this debate got started.

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/po...-more-valuable

Offensively, the numbers are a lot closer than you're suggesting.

Btw, without looking, I bet more than half those walks came batting 4th or 5th in the lineup. I would walk my own Grandmother any day of the week to get to Jones, Ibanez, Martin or whoever else Joe decides to stash their.

Coincidentally, that's also where he's going to have the opportunity to drive in the most runs.

[effdamets]

So Jeter gets the MVP because he's better with RISP while Cano is better at pretty much everything else?

Makes sense...

Let's face it.... neither player, Jeter or Cano, are getting the AL MVP award.

[dontyaknowcano]

Let's face it.... neither player, Jeter or Cano, are getting the AL MVP award.

Maybe we will all be happy when Jeter gets his WS MVP

[effdamets]

Maybe we will all be happy when Jeter gets his WS MVP

You must be new...
We're never all happy. Not here on NYYFans.com!

[Carsten Charles]

Let's face it.... neither player, Jeter or Cano, are getting the AL MVP award.

The Angels could lose every game for the rest of the year and Trout should still get it.

[NYYankeesFan92]

The Angels could lose every game for the rest of the year and Trout should still get it.

Put down the Trout flavored kool-aid, bud.

[Mr Coffee]

Put down the Trout flavored kool-aid, bud.

That sounds disgusting.