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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    Best player on the team has a 12 page performance thread. Pineda's is 100.
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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by philleotardo View Post
    Best player on the team has a 12 page performance thread. Pineda's is 100.
    It's what they call an inverse relationship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYRangers79 View Post
    Check that RISP stat and you'll know why.
    So Jeter gets the MVP because he's better with RISP while Cano is better at pretty much everything else?

    Makes sense...

  4. #304

    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by philleotardo View Post
    Best player on the team has a 12 page performance thread. Pineda's is 100.
    He's having a strange season. Good enough to avoid negativity ( well, for the most part ) but not special enough to generate fawning.
    He has placed a high bar for himself.
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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by philleotardo View Post
    Best player on the team has a 12 page performance thread. Pineda's is 100.
    Who? Derek Jeter? His performance thread has 34 pages.

  6. #306

    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    rofl jeter is not the best player on the team.
    always reasonable

  7. #307

    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by NYYankeesFan92 View Post
    Who? Derek Jeter? His performance thread has 34 pages.
    What a fanboy. Jeter is nowhere near Cano.

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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

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    rofl jeter is not the best player on the team.
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    What a fanboy. Jeter is nowhere near Cano.
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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

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    Save your breath for your next blow up date.
    LOL, good one.

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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Carsten Charles View Post
    So Jeter gets the MVP because he's better with RISP while Cano is better at pretty much everything else?

    Makes sense...
    Cano's job is to drive in runs. He should be over 90 now for a MVP year. There are 3 guys on the team with more RBI's than him. He is under 80 and has not really missed any games this year. He is not having one of his best seasons.

    Jeter's job is to get on base and score runs. He leads the team in hits, average, runs, average with RISP, and is 2nd in OBP. So tell me why Jeter being MVP is so hard to believe?

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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by NYRangers79 View Post
    Cano's job is to drive in runs. He should be over 90 now for a MVP year. There are 3 guys on the team with more RBI's than him. He is under 80 and has not really missed any games this year. He is not having one of his best seasons.

    Jeter's job is to get on base and score runs. He leads the team in hits, average, runs, average with RISP, and is 2nd in OBP. So tell me why Jeter being MVP is so hard to believe?
    Because there are far more sophisticated ways to measure value?

    Otherwise, we could say: starting pitchers jobs are to win games. Phil Hughes has the most wins on the Yankees. Phil Hughes is the Yankees best starting pitcher.
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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by NYRangers79 View Post
    Cano's job is to drive in runs. He should be over 90 now for a MVP year. There are 3 guys on the team with more RBI's than him. He is under 80 and has not really missed any games this year. He is not having one of his best seasons.

    Jeter's job is to get on base and score runs. He leads the team in hits, average, runs, average with RISP, and is 2nd in OBP. So tell me why Jeter being MVP is so hard to believe?
    Clay Rapada's job is to get lefties out. He has done that better than pretty much everyone in the league. I think we might be looking at the AL MVP and Cy Young here.

    Judging the MVP by what their job is on the team is worse than determining MVP based on who is in the playoffs. Maybe Cano wouldn't have so few RBIs if he didn't have Teixeira and Granderson with their poor OBPs hitting in front of them. On a separate note, using RBIs to evaluate a player is a terrible way to determine value, or anything really.

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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Carsten Charles View Post
    Clay Rapada's job is to get lefties out. He has done that better than pretty much everyone in the league. I think we might be looking at the AL MVP and Cy Young here.

    Judging the MVP by what their job is on the team is worse than determining MVP based on who is in the playoffs. Maybe Cano wouldn't have so few RBIs if he didn't have Teixeira and Granderson with their poor OBPs hitting in front of them. On a separate note, using RBIs to evaluate a player is a terrible way to determine value, or anything really.
    Sure, Cano can be MVP. And when the team needs a homer, he's the guy. In just about every other possible scenario imaginable, I'd rather see Jeter at the plate.

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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Benefactor View Post
    Sure, Cano can be MVP. And when the team needs a homer, he's the guy. In just about every other possible scenario imaginable, I'd rather see Jeter at the plate.
    He also gets on base at a better clip than Jeter. Jeter's having a tremendous year, but I don't think it's an insult to him to point out the Cano makes fewer outs and also hits for more power. And Cano's also been intentionally walked more than the 2nd and 3rd guys in that category on the team -- meaning other teams are pitching around him in important situations.

    It's hard to imagine a scenario where he isn't more valuable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Fan in Boston View Post
    It's hard to imagine a scenario where he isn't more valuable.
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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

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    He also gets on base at a better clip than Jeter. Jeter's having a tremendous year, but I don't think it's an insult to him to point out the Cano makes fewer outs and also hits for more power. And Cano's also been intentionally walked more than the 2nd and 3rd guys in that category on the team -- meaning other teams are pitching around him in important situations.

    It's hard to imagine a scenario where he isn't more valuable.
    Oh, I see how this debate got started.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/po...-more-valuable

    Offensively, the numbers are a lot closer than you're suggesting.

    Btw, without looking, I bet more than half those walks came batting 4th or 5th in the lineup. I would walk my own Grandmother any day of the week to get to Jones, Ibanez, Martin or whoever else Joe decides to stash their.

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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by NYRangers79 View Post
    Cano's job is to drive in runs. He should be over 90 now for a MVP year. There are 3 guys on the team with more RBI's than him. He is under 80 and has not really missed any games this year. He is not having one of his best seasons.

    Jeter's job is to get on base and score runs. He leads the team in hits, average, runs, average with RISP, and is 2nd in OBP. So tell me why Jeter being MVP is so hard to believe?
    A 141 OPS+ isn't what it used to be.

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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Benefactor View Post
    Oh, I see how this debate got started.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/po...-more-valuable

    Offensively, the numbers are a lot closer than you're suggesting.

    Btw, without looking, I bet more than half those walks came batting 4th or 5th in the lineup. I would walk my own Grandmother any day of the week to get to Jones, Ibanez, Martin or whoever else Joe decides to stash their.
    I never saw that article, and haven't participated in most of this debate, but the numbers aren't really that close. Right now, Cano's wRC+ is 143 and his WAR is 6.3, and Jeter is at 121 and 3.5, respectively. Cano has a slightly better OBP and a much better slugging percentage.

    But, Sweet Lou does have a point - Jeter is probably the team MVP against LHs
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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Benefactor View Post
    Oh, I see how this debate got started.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/po...-more-valuable

    Offensively, the numbers are a lot closer than you're suggesting.

    Btw, without looking, I bet more than half those walks came batting 4th or 5th in the lineup. I would walk my own Grandmother any day of the week to get to Jones, Ibanez, Martin or whoever else Joe decides to stash their.
    Coincidentally, that's also where he's going to have the opportunity to drive in the most runs.
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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Carsten Charles View Post
    So Jeter gets the MVP because he's better with RISP while Cano is better at pretty much everything else?

    Makes sense...
    Let's face it.... neither player, Jeter or Cano, are getting the AL MVP award.
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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by effdamets View Post
    Let's face it.... neither player, Jeter or Cano, are getting the AL MVP award.
    Maybe we will all be happy when Jeter gets his WS MVP

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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by dontyaknowcano View Post
    Maybe we will all be happy when Jeter gets his WS MVP
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    Re: 2012 Robinson Cano performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by effdamets View Post
    Let's face it.... neither player, Jeter or Cano, are getting the AL MVP award.
    The Angels could lose every game for the rest of the year and Trout should still get it.

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    The Angels could lose every game for the rest of the year and Trout should still get it.
    Put down the Trout flavored kool-aid, bud.

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    Put down the Trout flavored kool-aid, bud.
    That sounds disgusting.
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