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03-20-12 04:29 PM #226
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03-20-12 06:16 PM #227
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Pettitte deserves contempt for being a snitch, but Leyritz is yanksftw's boy.
weird dude.
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03-20-12 06:32 PM #228
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Here's a link to Andy's news conference in Tampa today:
http://web.yesnetwork.com/media/vide...y_20234777&v=3
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03-20-12 06:51 PM #229
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03-20-12 07:30 PM #230
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03-20-12 07:34 PM #231
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03-20-12 07:35 PM #232
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03-20-12 07:38 PM #233
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Last edited by Mr Coffee; 03-20-12 at 09:08 PM.
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03-20-12 08:10 PM #234
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03-22-12 08:22 AM #235
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I've been saying that for years. It seems as though pitchers didn't have nearly as many elbow, shoulder, back, knee, etc. problems on 3 days rest. They're treated like your grandmother's fine china now and I think it does more harm than good. With all the advancements/changes in training (especially in the off-season), better equipment, more attention paid to nutrition and overall health, pitchers - any player - today should be able hold up even better than those who played 40 years ago.
September 28, 2008 - the day the HOF got a wake-up Moose call.
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03-22-12 09:05 AM #236
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whatever sense of social solidarity and duty that yanksftw is citing is no less or more ethically sound than the one many of the rest of you feel toward the collection of abstractions-&-douchebags-enacting-them that we call the law. both are equally ridiculous and yet important to people.
the 1890's socialist Player's League, founded by workers:
socialistappeal.org/history-theory/us-history/959-the-1890-players-league.html
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03-22-12 09:28 AM #237
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03-22-12 09:45 AM #238
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depends on which era serves as your reference comparison, today's pitchers throw harder. a 4 guy rotation is obviously more productive if everyone stays healthy, but there is a lot of risk trying to find out whether your guys are going to be healthy with 4 days instead of 5.
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03-22-12 10:12 AM #239
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03-22-12 10:17 AM #240
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03-22-12 10:19 AM #241
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Enlighten me, Yoda.
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03-22-12 10:22 AM #242
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03-22-12 10:29 AM #243
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Then I don't know if you'll qualify for the participation ribbon given at the end of the thread.
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03-22-12 10:29 AM #244
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he's saying that all laws and customs are inherently culture bound and relativistic. There's no absolute code of conduct, everything is contingent on the group and society you affiliate with.
and in this increasingly atomized world, to feel more confederation with this codified abstraction of social norms known as the law over the kinship of your friends and family is absurd.
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03-22-12 10:35 AM #245
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03-22-12 11:11 AM #246
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I don't know what sort of work's been done on pitcher abuse recently, but the groundbreaking stuff came from Rany Jazayerli over at Baseball Prospectus 10 years or so ago. He felt that the danger came from high pitch counts, but that a four-man rotation did not really increase injury risk.
The catch is that some organization has to start doing it throughout their system. I think a four-man rotation would work and have benefits, but you can't expect to do it precipitously at the ML level.A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.- Barry Manilow
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03-22-12 11:16 AM #247
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If the strikezone were to open up again, from the letters to the knees, pitch counts would go down and the 4 man rotation would then be a viable option.
But as long as the zone remains mid-thigh only, pitch counts will continue to soar."Leave it to Yankees fans to be upset at having too many great players.”—Hitman23
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03-22-12 11:22 AM #248
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Pitch counts and rest days are separate issues. 120+ pitches is generally not good, and a pitcher's performance often suffers afterwards, especially if it happens repeatedly. But it's not clear that the extra day of rest makes much of a difference - the high pitch counts still have their effect.
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.- Barry Manilow
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03-22-12 11:22 AM #249
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Good points here -- you'd have to "raise" pitchers that way to make the change. And I'd guess agents would be resistant for fear that the "experiment" would hurt pitchers before they could really cash in.
Agree with Eff too -- there's more focus than ever on taking pitches, raising pitch counts, etc. now, which would definitely make it tougher."Welcome to NYYFans, the place where Yankees fans come together to complain about the manner in which our team is winning games" -- Mr. Coffee
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03-22-12 12:09 PM #250
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